Propellor can in Dans July auction

[RustyRaindog]

This can was part of the find Michael Boardman and I made in 2006 in Northern Cali on the way to the Brookdale show. I sold it at the Portland Canvention to a local member who is on here. It is probably one of the top cans I have owned. There were some great cans that came from that coin/antique shop! I still have the Alt Heidelberg Lab Controlled version that came from there. Ed S. ended up with the IRTP Heidelberg. (Not in the picture)I don't recall who else got which cans. I did trade the Pilsen Brau for a Finer Flavor Ale from Mr Bramlette at the Portland Canvention also.

[RustyRaindog]

A few more pictures of the can, the top was cut out, but there are no gear marks in the paint!

[ConeAddict]

A lot of nice cans in that auction as usual. He will be finishing it at the NABA? Are other can dealers going to be at that? I need to get a Milwaukee visit in this summer and if that show is worthwhile I could make it that weekend.

[ConeAddict]

The Old Tankard OI "rare 17 line only 3 known ongrade examples" was on my list this auction but this morning checked my cans and realized I have one even nicer that I got on ebay earlier this year. Very happy but wondering if that is not as tough as Lilek book thought. Also wanted the WF PBR and thought offgrade it may be obtainable but it was out my price range.

The Arrowhead cone went for 10K pre buyers premium. Propeller can $1750. I got nothing a few more cans maybe I would have bid on but busy day at work. This auction went on forever.

[mtracy64]

I'm absolutely livid about the Black Eagle - I was logged in on two devices, and couldn't bid on either for some unknown reason . . . clicking the button did nothing. I've coveted that variation for 25 years, and it sold for 1/3 of what I was going to bid. I thought the propeller can was cheap at $1,750, and it was my only win. I liked the Primo and Valley Forge a lot, but others liked them more.

Marc

[nocheins]

I had the same issue. Logged in on my Mac and iPad, tried bidding on the Ben Brew 3.2, and nothing. I must have hit the bid button six times. I did notice they had to delay the auction on a previous can because the system was down.

[ConeAddict]

This auction site issue is out of hand, really how hard is it to deliver a reliable auction application? Is this just the cheapest site available? I have a had a couple of issues on ebay over the years but it is extremely rare that I don't get the bids in I want. Guys consigning their cans to these auctions should be rightfully nervous.

[nocheins]

In the future if I really desire a can I’ll have the auctioneer bid for me. Today taught me a lot about software- and how it sometimes crashes.

[mtracy64]

Funny thing is, I had no problem bidding on the propeller can and the Valley Forge right after my attempted bids on the Black Eagle failed. I didn't realize until today that you can bid on other cans once the live auction starts - I thought you could only bid on the can that was on the block at the time.

Marc

[mtracy64]

The Old Tankard OI "rare 17 line only 3 known ongrade examples" was on my list this auction but this morning checked my cans and realized I have one even nicer that I got on ebay earlier this year. Very happy but wondering if that is not as tough as Lilek book thought.

Tracking the scarcity of minor variations can be very difficult. Kevin paid attention for a very long time and very early on was in the right circles to get a really good handle on what was known ongrade - his ongrade ratings are generally much more reliable than his offgrade ratings, but nobody will ever get it 100% right. There are complications with trying to track variations on a label like the Pabst Old Tankard Ale. The variations are numerous, the basic label design is plentiful enough (i.e., cheap enough, at least until recently . . .) that the cans didn't all end up in the collections of "the usual suspects", and it's just a crapshoot as to which variation many owners had. Kevin specialized in Pabst and I'm sure the variations he cites as tougher actually are, but it simply isn't possible to give absolutely accurate numbers for all the variations. I have the pictured example of the R-10 Lilek #640 Pabst long opener, and I've seen four others.

Another, more unfortunate scenario occurred in some cases too. The $7,000 grade 2/2+ Fox Deluxe from Grand Rapids in today's auction is a variation Kevin wasn't aware of until he came to Michigan to photograph collections here. One therefore wonders how many "semi-metallic" cans he may have seen before it was pointed out to him as being different from the "enamel" can. I can tell you this much - within a couple hours of the auction opening, my knowledge of ongrade examples rose from "zero" to "three".

Marc

[Joe Older]

I had intended to bid on the Propeller can but it never even came up for me while I was waiting for it. The feed I got went straight from lot 418 to 420. Several times on lots before that the feed seemed to have frozen but always came back to the same place when it resumed. Was it problems with the internet at the site or another auction hosting issue? Marc, you got a great can!

[mtracy64]

I had intended to bid on the Propeller can but it never even came up for me while I was waiting for it. The feed I got went straight from lot 418 to 420. Several times on lots before that the feed seemed to have frozen but always came back to the same place when it resumed. Was it problems with the internet at the site or another auction hosting issue? Marc, you got a great can!

I've had that happen to me a couple times in previous auctions, and I've tentatively blamed either my PC or my internet connection. I've taken to restarting my PC the night before these auctions to hopefully combat Windows' memory issues. The Propeller can did come up for me - I was already the high bidder and I was very surprised no more bids came in. It got to $1,700 without me bidding, so I expected additional action. The Ruppert Propeller can is the only one I recall seeing multiple indoor examples of, and half of them have been rubbed out for the New Yorkers underneath. I'm obviously very pleased to win this one.

Marc

[OhioCanGuy]

I had intended to bid on the Propeller can but it never even came up for me while I was waiting for it. The feed I got went straight from lot 418 to 420. Several times on lots before that the feed seemed to have frozen but always came back to the same place when it resumed. Was it problems with the internet at the site or another auction hosting issue? Marc, you got a great can!

When I'm watching any of these dealer auctions on my phone (wi-fi or cell tower) things eventually get out of sync. I click on the my auction account tab, and then re-launch the live auction and it always syncs back up. When I'm following an auction on my PC, which is hardwired, I don't believe it's every gotten out of sync.

BTW, when did a Brew 52 can become a $1k+ can? I'm assuming this is because it's North Bay Brewing and doesn't have the metallic gold outline around the "52"?

[Wild]

I have missed out on bidding in auctions going back a couple years. It has caused me to 'reboot' the live auction tab a couple cans before I plan on bidding.
My computer will show that the next can up is say, '100' when can '105' is on the docket.
But then I should be thankful that my competition is unable to bid..!!
Auctions were not as effective in the 80's when those of us buying expensive cans could discuss the matter
ahead of time.

[ConeAddict]

Tracking the scarcity of minor variations can be very difficult. Kevin paid attention for a very long time and very early on was in the right circles to get a really good handle on what was known ongrade - his ongrade ratings are generally much more reliable than his offgrade ratings, but nobody will ever get it 100% right. There are complications with trying to track variations on a label like the Pabst Old Tankard Ale. The variations are numerous, the basic label design is plentiful enough (i.e., cheap enough, at least until recently . . .) that the cans didn't all end up in the collections of "the usual suspects", and it's just a crapshoot as to which variation many owners had. Kevin specialized in Pabst and I'm sure the variations he cites as tougher actually are, but it simply isn't possible to give absolutely accurate numbers for all the variations. I have the pictured example of the R-10 Lilek #640 Pabst long opener, and I've seen four others.

Another, more unfortunate scenario occurred in some cases too. The $7,000 grade 2/2+ Fox Deluxe from Grand Rapids in today's auction is a variation Kevin wasn't aware of until he came to Michigan to photograph collections here. One therefore wonders how many "semi-metallic" cans he may have seen before it was pointed out to him as being different from the "enamel" can. I can tell you this much - within a couple hours of the auction opening, my knowledge of ongrade examples rose from "zero" to "three".

Marc

Yes, cans that were produced in such large quantities like Pabst are likely to have more examples of most of the variations then we think. Dan sure gets some mileage off those Lilek ratings, I paid less than a third of the price he got for that one yesterday. I wouldn't have went that high even if I hadn't realized I had it already but reading the description I fully expected it to go in at least the $1500 range as like you say those OTA OI's have really taken off recently. Even the most common variations are getting $1K ongrade which is weird since it seems like there are a couple a month available. Since there are no bids and it is priced sort of high I will mention I noticed another offgrade #630 on ebay this morning.

[menke]

I think the same thing happened to me on the last Good Guys' auction- I was unable to bump up my bid on the Sicks' WF OI; auction software jumped right past it to another can. What a world, with the consignor and auctioneer both left holding the bag. I almost wonder, having seen how savvy buyers have hacked ebay rules in order to buy low, if someone has figured out how to make a denial-of-service attack on the auction server? It's not like the internet has made everyone honest all of a sudden...

[ConeAddict]

I think in the auction before this I was having problems early on and when I finally got through there was one of those big goat bock OI's up and for a few seconds I thought I might be the only guy in the world who got in and was going to score a great deal. So there is that side of the auction issues.

[mtracy64]

I think in the auction before this I was having problems early on and when I finally got through there was one of those big goat bock OI's up and for a few seconds I thought I might be the only guy in the world who got in and was going to score a great deal. So there is that side of the auction issues.

I had all sorts of problems early in the last auction also - I missed about half of the first 35 or 40 cans, including the Valley Forge Bock that was the only one I intended to bid on. It wasn't real important to me in that condition and it surpassed what I would have bid, so no harm done. It appears that I benefited from Joe's issues yesterday, though I think that issue was on his end rather than being a widespread issue - can't be sure, though. I'm thrilled to win the Propeller, but the 1935 Black Eagle was my primary objective for the day.

Marc

[mtracy64]

Tracking the scarcity of minor variations can be very difficult. Kevin paid attention for a very long time and very early on was in the right circles to get a really good handle on what was known ongrade - his ongrade ratings are generally much more reliable than his offgrade ratings, but nobody will ever get it 100% right. There are complications with trying to track variations on a label like the Pabst Old Tankard Ale. The variations are numerous, the basic label design is plentiful enough (i.e., cheap enough, at least until recently . . .) that the cans didn't all end up in the collections of "the usual suspects", and it's just a crapshoot as to which variation many owners had. Kevin specialized in Pabst and I'm sure the variations he cites as tougher actually are, but it simply isn't possible to give absolutely accurate numbers for all the variations. I have the pictured example of the R-10 Lilek #640 Pabst long opener, and I've seen four others.

Another, more unfortunate scenario occurred in some cases too. The $7,000 grade 2/2+ Fox Deluxe from Grand Rapids in today's auction is a variation Kevin wasn't aware of until he came to Michigan to photograph collections here. One therefore wonders how many "semi-metallic" cans he may have seen before it was pointed out to him as being different from the "enamel" can. I can tell you this much - within a couple hours of the auction opening, my knowledge of ongrade examples rose from "zero" to "three".

Marc

Yes, cans that were produced in such large quantities like Pabst are likely to have more examples of most of the variations then we think. Dan sure gets some mileage off those Lilek ratings, I paid less than a third of the price he got for that one yesterday. I wouldn't have went that high even if I hadn't realized I had it already but reading the description I fully expected it to go in at least the $1500 range as like you say those OTA OI's have really taken off recently. Even the most common variations are getting $1K ongrade which is weird since it seems like there are a couple a month available. Since there are no bids and it is priced sort of high I will mention I noticed another offgrade #630 on ebay this morning.

Yeah, I took a spin through the completed auctions on eBay a few weeks ago and was shocked to see a few Pabst Old Tankards at $1,000 or more. Most weren't even particularly clean. Who are these people?

Marc

[Pokey]

Just to round out this discussion: The can from RustyRaindog is the can that mtracy64 just purchased from the auction. I know because I bought the can back in 2006 and was ready to let it find a new home, so I consigned it to Dan for the Auction. It was the nicest one that I have had the pleasure to own.

[mtracy64]

Just to round out this discussion: The can from RustyRaindog is the can that mtracy64 just purchased from the auction. I know because I bought the can back in 2006 and was ready to let it find a new home, so I consigned it to Dan for the Auction. It was the nicest one that I have had the pleasure to own.

Thanks for posting - I've been curious whose can it was since RRD stated that it was someone who participates here, and even more so since winning the auction because I like to know provenance when possible. The Jacob Ruppert seemed like the most obtainable version of the label, but several have been destroyed for the New Yorkers underneath. I've always been quite enamored with the design, and I hope to add another (or more) over time. The seeming simplicity of the design is deceptive - someone put a lot of thought into what they were doing.

Marc

[RustyRaindog]

I was respecting Pokeys privacy and hoped he would chime in! So glad Boardman and I saved those cans from the coin shop. I also want to say he bought it 1n 2016 not 2006 at the Portland Canvention.

[mtracy64]

I was respecting Pokeys privacy and hoped he would chime in! So glad Boardman and I saved those cans from the coin shop. I also want to say he bought it 1n 2016 not 2006 at the Portland Canvention.

I should have been able to put it together myself, but it didn't dawn on me until today to check whether the Primo was the same can Pokey posted here a while back. That and Dan's tags were enough to put it together, but I missed it even though I looked at the Primo several times - I thought I was serious about that one too, but the final number indicates that I was fooling myself.

Marc

[Pokey]

I should have been able to put it together myself, but it didn't dawn on me until today to check whether the Primo was the same can Pokey posted here a while back. That and Dan's tags were enough to put it together, but I missed it even though I looked at the Primo several times - I thought I was serious about that one too, but the final number indicates that I was fooling myself.

Marc

The ridiculously high prices lately is what has made me decide to downsize some of my better cans. In the previous month’s auction my near perfect Salute cone top got $13,500!

[mtracy64]

I should have been able to put it together myself, but it didn't dawn on me until today to check whether the Primo was the same can Pokey posted here a while back. That and Dan's tags were enough to put it together, but I missed it even though I looked at the Primo several times - I thought I was serious about that one too, but the final number indicates that I was fooling myself.

Marc

The ridiculously high prices lately is what has made me decide to downsize some of my better cans. In the previous month’s auction my near perfect Salute cone top got $13,500!

The Eagle cone didn't surprise me, but Dan consistently gets very large numbers for clean California cones and the two Salutes were the biggest surprises. It's a bit of a gamble letting things go at auction - some things go stupid, but others go about where they should. I'm sure I have a few that would go crazy, but I just don't have anything I'm willing to let go. It's become very difficult to add better cans and I expect that to continue, but it was nice to see a lot of more obtainable cans fall back to earth in the last auction.

Marc