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RE: Atlantic City Snub JerseyShore Chapter Response to BCCA CRAC

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I was asked to share this email sent by Hall of Famers Joe Radman out to 80+ BCCA members who inquired why the Jersey Shore Chapter did not win the bid for Atlantic City Canvention next year. Here is his response:

As all of you fellow Jersey Shore Chapter members, and those BCCA members who voted for having the CANvention in Atlantic City, now know, the 2022 CANvention will not be in Atlantic City. It was not for lack of trying over the four long years that we spoke of our intention to host a CANvention in Atlantic City. We know that our planning for a party in A.C. would be unrivaled with all events held in one great hotel, the Showboat, including all hotel elevators (including the service elevators) bringing collectors to the trade floor, the free beach access to the Atlantic Ocean which is steps away from the hotel, room rates of $99.00 per night, the overall trade floor cost of $15,000 (which is a big savings to the BCCA), the Atlantic City Canvention Bureau rebate to the BCCA of $10,000, the daily corkage rate of $250.00 instead of an individual keg rate normally $50 costing the BCCA $750.00 or more per day, a hotel parking rate of $6.00 per night (reduced from $12.00) and the elimination of the Resort Fee which is normally $15.00 per day.
We had plans for those arriving days early with hospitality rooms in the Showboat with craft beer from around the state, travel to other attractions, organized activities, casino visits with great food and craft beer, brewery tours, winery tours among other things. We also had plans for those who stayed extra days after CANvention with a hospitality room and an informal farewell dinner on Monday. Activities for spouses and families were also planned.

I was notified by BCCA President, Keith Kerschner on the night of March 31st that we did not get the bid for Atlantic City. There was a Zoom meeting earlier on the 31st with the BCCA Board of Directors, the Officers and the CANvention Committee where the decision was made. I asked Keith what were the decision points comparing Atlantic City and Norfolk including the financial, facilities, trade floor, corkage, resort fees and any other decision points that went into the decision making process to choose one venue over the other. Keith said that he did not have that information but thinks that Dave (Gausepohl) should have it. Keith suggested that I talk with Dave via Zoom. I asked Keith as BCCA President, to obtain the decision points from Dave and send them to me and then we could talk with Dave once we had some hard data to review. I stated that I hope Dave did provide a hard copy of these data points to the BCCA Officers, Board Members and the other CANvention Committee members so that they could evaluate the pros and cons of each chapter's bid. I memorialized our conversation with a follow up email on April 1st and a courtesy email to Dave on April 2nd asking for the same decision points.

On April 5th Dave sent a single sheet of paper with Pros and Cons for both Atlantic City and Norfolk. After reviewing this very limited comparison, I sent a two page email to Dave on April 9th still requesting financial information and other data that might support this bare bones listing. In this email to Dave I refuted several of the Con areas for Atlantic City while questioning many of the other areas both Pro and Con. A concern that was in the Con column for Atlantic City was ongoing construction at the Showboat. According to our contact at the Hotel, construction would be finished by this Summer. One of the most concerning comparisons made by Dave on the PRO/CON list is the "Total Estimated Known CANvention Expenses". Atlantic City lists this in our PRO column while Norfolk lists this in the CON column. If total estimated expenses are not a known quantity in Norfolk, while they are in Atlantic City, you are placing the Committee and particularly the Board in jeopardy since any Board has a fiduciary and fiscal responsibility to the members that they represent, in this case the BCCA membership. If Atlantic City were chosen it would have saved the Club members tens of thousands of dollars. With a $99.00 dollar room rate compared to $129.00 in Norfolk and the elimination of the resort fee and a reduced nightly parking fee, the members would have saved a collective $50.00 per room night or an average of $200.00 for a four night stay ($100.00 each with two collectors sharing a room). Estimating 450 collectors at a $100.00 per person would project a savings of $45,000.00 dollars to the members. We also have a projected income verses expense balance sheet for Atlantic City showing a savings to the BCCA of $27,340.00.

On April 19th, Dave responded to my April 9th email. His explanation of the Pros and Cons listings still did not address important financial questions which were raised.
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Membership in the BCCA notched one year and after 1979 it was easier to be a free spirit. Tone absorbed was unpleasant and as a rookie, being unaccepted among those solidly entrenched in CA cans, never considered rejoining. Appears some things never change. Between Denver and Atlantic City there could be no better locations to hold a National. With competition there is a looser and for sketchy reasons the complete explanation has not come forth. I understand your bewilderment.
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I joined NABA and was immediately impressed by their professionalism and welcoming attitude (not to mention the better than BCCA magazine). I'm hoping the BCCA will start to get things right next year when Rusty Buncher Don Hardy (a/k/a Facebook Don -- f/k/a Meister Brau Don) assumes the helm. Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic . . .
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chicagocans wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:04 pm ...I'm hoping the BCCA will start to get things right next year when Rusty Buncher Don Hardy (a/k/a Facebook Don -- f/k/a Meister Brau Don) assumes the helm. Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic . . .

Yeah…good luck with that…

You’ve got an RB’er running the show now. He’s taken communicating with the membership to a new level. Beyond that, he’s a token officer of the Board. He can have all the greatest ideas but unless he can convince the members of what I call the “Good Ol’ Boys Club” to do something, nothing’s going to happen. His hands are “tied” whether he wants to admit or not.

There are also numerous BCCA members that can fall into the “ICON” category of the Hobby. They are considered as such and therefore can’t or shouldn’t be questioned, challenged or told what to do.

Check your Roster. See which ones are also BCCA officers or committee members and which ones are actually active in the Chapter. I believe some of them routinely join multiple Chapters to present an image of participation and activity.

You appreciated my post in the Zip Tab thread. Earlier in the year, I saw that their programmer had actually tested and made my suggestion work to increase the addition of hundreds of cans to the Supplements. Neither the Committee nor the BOD has acknowledged this when I pointed this out to the BOD. I got only one response. It said my comments were mean and hurtful. For the record, it came from “your” Mr. Hardy.

This is my personal opinion. Everyone is entitled to and has one. It is not intended to influence or sway anyone’s thinking relative to the national organization. It is based on my dealings with the organization over the years.

As for the main topic of the post, I have no opinion because I'm a non-traveling member of the Hobby limited to the local region of my state. I just wanted to chime in on your "wishful thinking." I apologize for getting "off topic".

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The more I hear about the BCCA the happier I am that I never gave them a dime for anything. Sounds like a real clown-car organization.
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I do not know the Pro vs Cons but the hotel not finished with construction is a HUGE red flag. I have personal experience with this. I was a Guest Services Manager for the Sheraton Keauhou Bay Resort & Spa on he Big Island of Hawaii. We did a 80 million renovation. We make promises after promises to many convention groups and tourism companies. We did not meet our obligations and it was a NIGHTMARE! For example, we were jackhammering and doing construction right above OCUPIED rooms. It was my miserable job to deal with the fallout. I was in some of the internal meetings where the deadlines were discussed. They did not care about the contracts that were signed. This DOES NOT even take into account the Covid ramifications to work getting done. I am all for EITHER venue but I would NEVER sign a contract with a hotel in the middle of construction/renovation....
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Norfolk was obviously chosen for Canvention 51 because of the Tuxedo 51 tie in. Next year no. 52 will be held in Santa Rosa California. No. 66 will be in Seattle or Salem Oregon. 77 will be in Nashville and planning is already underway for Canvention 1,000 in Milwaukee.
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Sea Monkey wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 5:00 pm I do not know the Pro vs Cons but the hotel not finished with construction is a HUGE red flag. I have personal experience with this. I was a Guest Services Manager for the Sheraton Keauhou Bay Resort & Spa on he Big Island of Hawaii. We did a 80 million renovation. We make promises after promises to many convention groups and tourism companies. We did not meet our obligations and it was a NIGHTMARE! For example, we were jackhammering and doing construction right above OCUPIED rooms. It was my miserable job to deal with the fallout. I was in some of the internal meetings where the deadlines were discussed. They did not care about the contracts that were signed. This DOES NOT even take into account the Covid ramifications to work getting done. I am all for EITHER venue but I would NEVER sign a contract with a hotel in the middle of construction/renovation....
While this is a valid concern, the club has done this numerous times in the recent past. Remember the parking debacle in Cleveland? The Pittsburgh CANvention that was, oops! in Lexington (and then back to Pittsburgh the following year), "skywalks" not completed, resulting in pushing carts full of cans a couple of blocks (more than once)?
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Sea Monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 5:00 pm
I do not know the Pro vs Cons but the hotel not finished with construction is a HUGE red flag. I have personal experience with this. I was a Guest Services Manager for the Sheraton Keauhou Bay Resort & Spa on he Big Island of Hawaii. We did a 80 million renovation. We make promises after promises to many convention groups and tourism companies. We did not meet our obligations and it was a NIGHTMARE! For example, we were jackhammering and doing construction right above OCUPIED rooms. It was my miserable job to deal with the fallout. I was in some of the internal meetings where the deadlines were discussed. They did not care about the contracts that were signed. This DOES NOT even take into account the Covid ramifications to work getting done. I am all for EITHER venue but I would NEVER sign a contract with a hotel in the middle of construction/renovation....

The construction renovation had nothing to do with rooms, it also had nothing to do with the trade floor. They are dividing up the old boxing ring portion of the hotel (they no longer host boxing events). It was a very minor construction and someone highlighted that as a reason not to choose the hotel. They knew it had nothing to do with our space and even if it did it would be done by this June 14+ months before we would be there. Bogus argument for the con column.
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The construction renovation had nothing to do with rooms, it also had nothing to do with the trade floor. They are dividing up the old boxing ring portion of the hotel (they no longer host boxing events). It was a very minor construction and someone highlighted that as a reason not to choose the hotel. They knew it had nothing to do with our space and even if it did it would be done by this June 14+ months before we would be there. Bogus argument for the con column.
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As a former board member, I have the following thoughts:
- I assume we have signed a contract and cannot make a change to the site. If so, what does the Jersey team want us to do now? Without a clear ask, this sounds like sour grapes.
- I think this means that the next window for Atlantic City is 4 years away. It looks like the plan is to have every other year in the Midwest where we get big turnout with the intervening years alternating between east and west.
- If we do not get a big enough turnout at Norfolk, we run the risk of never coming back to the east coast as it is not financially viable. That means the Jersey team needs to support Norfolk.
- Beer Dave and his team do a great job in all aspects of the Canvention except for those items in the following comments. I think we would be hard pressed to find others to do it without getting paid. From my professional experience, most companies use paid 3rd party companies to do what we get essentially for free.
- I spent 4 years on the board. While Beer Dave kept the board informed of what he had done and was planning to do, it was done in a way that we never knew ahead of the meetings what was going on (all committee chairmen were supposed to provide a preread of their presentation so we could think it over before the meeting). This kept discussion and objections to a minimum, but never allowed for any real control by the board. Most decisions had already been made (contracts signed or no real alternatives provided). Never was I asked about where the Canvention was to be located or choices for any other aspect of the planning.
- That said, as I noted above, I think the Canvention team does a good job. My complaints are all around communication, messaging and governance of the process. Unless the officers, board members and Canvention committee can learn to work together better, we will continue to have a bumpy ride.
- MY BIG COMPLAINT ABOUT THE BCCA is that we have far too few people doing too much for too many years for the organization to thrive. Most of the important committee chairmen have been in there positions for too long, we need fresh blood. The board either does not have the power or refuses to use it to push the organization forward. A presidential term of 1 year does not allow for any meaningful change as the installed bureaucracy can just wait it out. Finally, and most importantly, we have a lack of participation from the membership. If we have more members helping to row the boat, we would be better able to weather the storms and move forward. Each of these 3 constituencies are responsible for our problems. Each of them blames the others. Until they can work together, this dysfunction will continue.

Like I said above, I was on the board for 4 years and tried to work through a number of these changes. After 4 years, I no longer have the fight in me to continue with pushing these issues. I encourage all of you to help improve this organization by getting involved - not just complaining.

And for my friends in NJ, the only way to change things is to get involved. We no longer have any board members from the north east. Do something, get involved.

Thanx for letting me get on my soapbox. Should you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to contact me.
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Jerry Cole, great observation about the 1 year term not being enough. That is an angle I never thought of and it is spot on.
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I don't interpret Mr. Radman's comments as a change request or as sour grapes, just a simple notification to interested members regarding the minimal feedback provided to a bid which lost despite offering a great deal of benefit to the club and its members. If something about the Jersey Shore bid was considered to be lacking, perhaps that could be addressed in a subsequent bid if the guys knew what to go after. I'm sure a great deal of time and effort goes into putting forth a bid, and it therefore has to be deflating to not be informed as to where the bid was found to come up short.

One would generally expect the involvement of the Jersey Shore guys to be a huge PRO under intangibles as well - the guys are legendary for knowing how to throw a party.

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Uncle Jackson wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:27 am - If we do not get a big enough turnout at Norfolk, we run the risk of never coming back to the east coast as it is not financially viable. That means the Jersey team needs to support Norfolk.
No doubt the Jersey chapter feels stung after putting so much effort into a bid that was not accepted but I think they will rise above and support the choice. Likewise, I hope people nationwide support this choice. I have to assume there are some disappointed people in the Mountain and Pacific time zones also. Canvention is a great opportunity for people who normally only communicate via the Internet to see each other face to face. I hope people take advantage of it no matter what location is selected.

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Jerry, I also fought the good fight, for as long as I could. While the oft cited "old guard" has basically died off in the BCCA, that torch has been firmly passed on to the CON Committee, with all of the all of the decisions being made by one individual, with an enormous ego and no interest at all in anyone else's opinion. Since you asked for it...
Uncle Jackson wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:27 am
As a former board member, I have the following thoughts:

- I assume we have signed a contract and cannot make a change to the site. If so, what does the Jersey team want us to do now? Without a clear ask, this sounds like sour grapes.

First part is a true statement. I would like to review all of the information reviewed prior to the decision, with the dates that information was provided to them. I know that will never be allowed to happen due to how the CON Committee operates. In the absence of that, I will formally request that the BCCA audit Committee conduct an audit of this information.

- I think this means that the next window for Atlantic City is 4 years away. It looks like the plan is to have every other year in the Midwest where we get big turnout with the intervening years alternating between east and west.

True enough. I expect zero conventions west of Denver or east of Pittsburgh for the period of 2022-2032.

- If we do not get a big enough turnout at Norfolk, we run the risk of never coming back to the east coast as it is not financially viable. That means the Jersey team needs to support Norfolk.

I guess I'll go to Norfolk if invited as a guest. I lived in VA and have great friends in the region. I hold nothing against any of them, with the exception of our current president, who first pushed the idea of Norfolk since the 2% of members who fly to conventions might have a to change airlines to get there, or (gasp) drive an hour a between a major airport (or take a train...). Losing money is an incorrect argument. Springfield, MA made money. Ft. Wayne IN lost a ton of money, and had members paying $199 for rooms. Look it up. If the the club finally morphs into the BCCAMW, my likely one year hiatus from membership will become permanent. Have fun in flyover country.

- Beer Dave and his team do a great job in all aspects of the Canvention except for those items in the following comments. I think we would be hard pressed to find others to do it without getting paid. From my professional experience, most companies use paid 3rd party companies to do what we get essentially for free.

I could easily find people to within our membership to do what the CON committee does with experience in running conventions for either other breweriana clubs or other organizations (in my case the American Cichlid Association). I agree that most organizations use paid third parties to handle conventions. That would probably be a better option, since a vendor would have to be responsive to the board, officers and by extension the membership.

- I spent 4 years on the board. While Beer Dave kept the board informed of what he had done and was planning to do, it was done in a way that we never knew ahead of the meetings what was going on (all committee chairmen were supposed to provide a preread of their presentation so we could think it over before the meeting). This kept discussion and objections to a minimum, but never allowed for any real control by the board. Most decisions had already been made (contracts signed or no real alternatives provided). Never was I asked about where the Canvention was to be located or choices for any other aspect of the planning.

Ego Dave presents only the information that is absolutely required from him, and only after the board and officers has no time to review and possibly reject what he has decided. In essence, he asks for permission for a "fait accompli". I find this to be unacceptable. Perhaps others are OK with most of the significant operations of the club being controlled by one individual.

- That said, as I noted above, I think the Canvention team does a good job. My complaints are all around communication, messaging and governance of the process. Unless the officers, board members and Canvention committee can learn to work together better, we will continue to have a bumpy ride.

I wanted to put performance metrics on some of the committees that I found to be non-responsive to the board. About the only metric that would seem to be accepted by the CON committee is whether or not the convention actually occurred (COVID notwithstanding).

- MY BIG COMPLAINT ABOUT THE BCCA is that we have far too few people doing too much for too many years for the organization to thrive. Most of the important committee chairmen have been in there positions for too long, we need fresh blood. The board either does not have the power or refuses to use it to push the organization forward. A presidential term of 1 year does not allow for any meaningful change as the installed bureaucracy can just wait it out. Finally, and most importantly, we have a lack of participation from the membership. If we have more members helping to row the boat, we would be better able to weather the storms and move forward. Each of these 3 constituencies are responsible for our problems. Each of them blames the others. Until they can work together, this dysfunction will continue.

I am 100% in agreement with this statement. The committees have all the power in the club, with lifetime membership and with only picking like minded people to succeed those that leave . The board feels that if they push on these committees at all, they'll all quit. Well, if they are underperforming, maybe they need to be replaced. And these committees make it very difficult to get involved as an outsider/"newbie", regardless of their qualifications. There are people who really both want to get involved, and have the background to do so effectively. I had a great board while I was president, and even then only got about half of what I thought absolutely needed to be done during that term. And thanks Jerry, you were part of it.

Like I said above, I was on the board for 4 years and tried to work through a number of these changes. After 4 years, I no longer have the fight in me to continue with pushing these issues. I encourage all of you to help improve this organization by getting involved - not just complaining.

I on the board for six years, and have continued to participate ever since, even though the leadership after me seems to be completely satisfied with the status quo.

And for my friends in NJ, the only way to change things is to get involved. We no longer have any board members from the north east. Do something, get involved.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Thanx for letting me get on my soapbox. Should you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to contact me.

Ditto...
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I don't think it is sour grapes, when the facts are not only not presented but presented with false hoods than how can the Board make a proper approval. The main reason for not picking AC was because of ongoing construction into next year. That is 100% not true. The new construction is complete with a huge new Sports Bar and the biggest arcade on the East Coast. See the pic. It opened this week 15 months BEFORE there would have been a Canvention there.
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Uncle Jackson wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:27 am - MY BIG COMPLAINT ABOUT THE BCCA is that we have far too few people doing too much for too many years for the organization to thrive. Most of the important committee chairmen have been in there positions for too long, we need fresh blood. The board either does not have the power or refuses to use it to push the organization forward.
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Nosinut wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 9:49 am Jerry Cole, great observation about the 1 year term not being enough. That is an angle I never thought of and it is spot on.

You can give the the prez 2 years, 5 years even 10! Until everyone else in the "Clown Car" lets loose of the steering wheel, it will keep doing donuts, in the SAME direction!!!

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("They are dividing up the old boxing ring portion of the hotel (they no longer host boxing events)" You mean famed Ring announcer "Introducing the principles!" Ed Derian "Derian" is out of a job?
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Jersey Shore Chapter has been a MAJOR supporter of the BCCA (arguably one of the top local chapters in the club) with 5 HOFers (3 former Presidents) from its ranks. Decades of activity and fun support, all they asked for was to help run a Canvention in the state, the first in32 years......but it turns out the head of the CRAC committee made it clear to friends 2 years ago he had no intention of going to NJ. According to the hotel he never negotiated in good faith, rarely returned calls and hadn't visited the site in 2 years. He threw out bogus excuses about fictitious construction delays and outright rejected a $99.00 room rate. Not cool. We are Jersey and we will not forget this and how we were treated......stay tuned
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Maybe I am naive, or maybe I just haven’t been burned by the people that run what you call the “clown car” operation. I have run across some individuals that have appeared to have a self agenda and I just don’t deal with them. I enjoy my hobby and what to be around people that enjoy it too. I guess until I am ready to do some of the heavy lifting myself, I am gonna stay in my little cocoon, enjoy the GOOD of the hobby and be thankful for the likes of Clayton Emery and Dan Bora who make it great for me.
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You're not naive. You're like the rest of us. Just trying to enjoy the Hobby.

The difference is that I'm more vocal because I have been burned. I listened to their pleas for help. I had skills that I thought would be useful. I provided plenty of information that could have moved the databases into that realm of "Data Integrity" (which they will never achieve).

I will let them wallow in their self-fabricated vision of accomplishment and importance!

This Chapter and it's website will keep the Hobby alive for all of us. My contributions, for the most part are appreciated and enjoyed. I can enjoy daily visits, converse with like minded Hobbyists, pick up an occasional addition to the collection and learn more (than I ever will from the parent organization).


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Here are Alan Pachedach and Joe Radman at the Show Boat in Atlantic City
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Last Night for the opening of the Sports Bar and 60k sq ft Arcade. Hard to argue that construction is not complete when they had the grand opening last night.
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MI-Cans wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 10:34 am @chicagocans
chicagocans wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:04 pm ...I'm hoping the BCCA will start to get things right next year when Rusty Buncher Don Hardy (a/k/a Facebook Don -- f/k/a Meister Brau Don) assumes the helm. Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic . . .

Yeah…good luck with that…

You’ve got an RB’er running the show now. He’s taken communicating with the membership to a new level. Beyond that, he’s a token officer of the Board. He can have all the greatest ideas but unless he can convince the members of what I call the “Good Ol’ Boys Club” to do something, nothing’s going to happen. His hands are “tied” whether he wants to admit or not.

There are also numerous BCCA members that can fall into the “ICON” category of the Hobby. They are considered as such and therefore can’t or shouldn’t be questioned, challenged or told what to do.

Check your Roster. See which ones are also BCCA officers or committee members and which ones are actually active in the Chapter. I believe some of them routinely join multiple Chapters to present an image of participation and activity.

You appreciated my post in the Zip Tab thread. Earlier in the year, I saw that their programmer had actually tested and made my suggestion work to increase the addition of hundreds of cans to the Supplements. Neither the Committee nor the BOD has acknowledged this when I pointed this out to the BOD. I got only one response. It said my comments were mean and hurtful. For the record, it came from “your” Mr. Hardy.

This is my personal opinion. Everyone is entitled to and has one. It is not intended to influence or sway anyone’s thinking relative to the national organization. It is based on my dealings with the organization over the years.

As for the main topic of the post, I have no opinion because I'm a non-traveling member of the Hobby limited to the local region of my state. I just wanted to chime in on your "wishful thinking." I apologize for getting "off topic".

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You appreciated my post in the Zip Tab thread. Earlier in the year, I saw that their programmer had actually tested and made my suggestion work to increase the addition of hundreds of cans to the Supplements. Neither the Committee nor the BOD has acknowledged this when I pointed this out to the BOD. I got only one response. It said my comments were mean and hurtful. For the record, it came from “your” Mr. Hardy.

For the record, I have no idea what you're talking about, but if your constant badgering of the volunteers working on the supplement is any example let the other members be the judge..
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Well I don't know why, but the powers that be continue to feed out misinformation. This time on a large scale. Rebuttal to the main three points:
#1 Construction Ongoing/Not ready. 100% Not true Joe Radman and Alan Pachedag were at the grand reopening on the arcade and Sports Bar section of the Showboat 6 days ago. Well while nice additions this area has no direct effect on a Canvention space (plus it is complete). What is referenced in the email blast above is in regard to a section of the parking lot that will have possible (not definite) expansion in the future. The 52K sq Ft Trade floor is complete and secured and we have 10 pics to prove it. Banquet Hall is also complete and they use it weekly with multiple caterers, also complete.
#2 Catering Hall No On Site Kitchen: Again not true as far an issue. The Showboat caters to parties 4x the size that we would bring to the banquet and in normal times they do that multiple times per week. We got a quote of $35 per person ($10.00 cheaper than St. Louis). Again Blowing Smoke, not an issue.
#3 Room Rates. too low at $62.00 per night currently....FLAT OUT LIE. That number was quoted online in March during the Pandemic when no hotels were booking and they were all dropping their prices. Now they are getting back to normal. The cheapest room weekday is $111.00 w/ resort fee. Our quoted rate was $99.00 with the resort rate waived. a $12.00 saving. But that is just the early week price, rates increase during the week up to a max of 199 on Saturday night. We negotiated $99.00 for all nights with there resort fee waived, and this included the Showboat throwing in the conference rooms n/c. BIG SAVING FOR THE RANK & FILE and the BCCA. ($62.00 quoted above was a twisted lie)
Also stated in the very deceptive email was they talked to the Hotel Manager, well so did we the day after they did to review the conversation. Mike Levine 100% clearly stated that the current/future construction was for the section of the garage that would have no effect on our space. He stated their 52K sq Ft trade floor was complete and had been as well as a hall with a capacity for 2,000 people as per the fire code. He escorted Joe and Al there and they took lots of pics
We know some people in charge never wanted to go to AC (and they stated that) but to spread out and out falsehoods about why they did not choose AC is unacceptable. We have written documents and pictures to refute every negative statement that was made in the BCCA email that went out today.
Take into account a great venue literally right on the Atlantic City Beach, take into account the fact that Atlantic City was just voted the number 2 Boardwalk in the country for food, take into account the fact that all Canvention activities would happen in one facility, take into account a daily corkage fee of $250, $10K Rebate from the AC Convention Board, reduced parking to $6.00 per night, sports bar and arcade family friendly atmosphere right there, oceanfront bar as well....take all of that into account plus the dozens of extras the Jersey Shore Chapter had planned and it would have been an EPIC Canvention like none other. We as a club lose, because somebody didn't want to come to Atlantic City and put up every obstacle he could to make sure they would not be picked. Hotel flat out said the BCCA did not negotiate in good faith and that they were contentious at every turn. Truths be dammed. Well we know the truth. We were privy to all the negotiations and we feel the BCCA rank and file got screwed on this one. I have go idea if Norfolk will make or lose money, but I know for fact the BCCA would have made money in AC even with the smaller east coast turn out. Guaranteed, we did the math. SO sad the truth was not presented.
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