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I’ve been reading about these for 20 years on this site & finally found one on a dollar table at my buddies antique shop!

Not sure if I am patient enough although I have to assume that this will come off easier than the paint overs that come from the canning companies. I’ll keep ya posted.Image


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Cool Steve, I found one last year but it was a humidity damaged Falstaff. Hope you have better luck

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Re: Toleware sprinkler

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I predict a white Cardinal.

Whatever you do, DON’T USE RUBBING COMPOUND! The paint applied it too uneven.

You’ll need to use acetone. I believe Matt Menke (onefullquart?) has done many of these and has perfected the process. I bought a few toleware cans and depending on the paint over used, the end results using running compound can be horrendous.
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Thanks Chris... not perfected, though. Candog I think has done it better. Black paint should be easy, some colors like green are a beeyotch.'

I have used rubbing compound with success, BUT only when you very selectively rub off the layered colors of the artwork. You basically use the background color to protect the label while you get all the layers off. If the background color doesn't hold up, though, you need a different technique.

A one-off project like this is tough since you don't have anything to practice and potentially fail with first.
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Steve, Try non acetone nail polish remover first, It is much less harsh then acetone. I have done a handful, and when the paint can be removed with the non acetone the tole paint just comes right off with no harm to the paint below. However, I would say fewer, in my experience, have paint that comes off with non acetone.

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Try hot water and soap first. The last toleware can I found had a water based paint that came right off that way.
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menke wrote:
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Thanks Chris... not perfected, though. Candog I think has done it better. Black paint should be easy, some colors like green are a beeyotch.'

I have used rubbing compound with success, BUT only when you very selectively rub off the layered colors of the artwork. You basically use the background color to protect the label while you get all the layers off. If the background color doesn't hold up, though, you need a different technique.

A one-off project like this is tough since you don't have anything to practice and potentially fail with first.
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Lets see your results and good luck!
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Please please please start at the seam
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Thanks for the inputs. Tried hot water & soap and non acetone nail polish remover on the bottom & didn't have much luck. After reading past posts and chatting with Matt about potential risks I'm just going to send it to him to work his magic. Cheers & Thank you for the offer Mr. Menke!
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Steve,
I hope you get a winner. One thing that I forgot to mention, and no one else has is that there are some of these that the paint will not even budge with acetone, and I have not found the solvent yet. If we do I don't know how it will be on the cans paint.

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Weren’t the black cans sold in a stripey box as a sprinkler can? Thought those were Cardinals like the Longopeener sez- Ziphippie

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hover31 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:44 pm
Weren’t the black cans sold in a stripey box as a sprinkler can? Thought those were Cardinals like the Longopeener sez- Ziphippie
I've had several of these over the years, and yes, they were mass produced as laundry sprinklers with this particular design and all the ones I've had turned out to be cardinal's.

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So lets clarify a few things. "Toleware" items are self-produced pieces and were suggested to housewives through "Hints to Heloise" articles in the local newspapers. They were not mass produced. They were used to sprinkle clothes with water when Ironing. Housewives would buy the little sprinkler tops at the hardware store to fit on soda bottles. These bottles were heavy when filled with water, and the beer can was much lighter. Painting them black-green-white was the first step, then they would paint little flowers or use application decals.

Acetone will not hurt the paint on a can unless it is rusted underneath or used to "rub out" the can. Beware paying big bucks for these as they can be "faked" with a common beer or soda can underneath. I recently saw one for $99 on ebay. I find them for $3-10 at antique stores.

Not all painted over cans are beer cans. I did one for Ron Small that had nothing underneath. Also, not all paint will come off. Flat lacquers, Acrylic's, and Brush painted cans clean well, Enamel based spray painted cans do not. Doing the seams and under the rims can be a challenge, but there is a method to making it easier.

Yes. I taught Matt how to do this. He still uses my method, with his own little tweaks.
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Thanks Tom - The Oracle has spoken!! Hope you had a great time at B/G.
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Candog wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:19 pm
So lets clarify a few things. "Toleware" items are self-produced pieces and were suggested to housewives through "Hints to Heloise" articles in the local newspapers. They were not mass produced. They were used to sprinkle clothes with water when Ironing. Housewives would buy the little sprinkler tops at the hardware store to fit on soda bottles. These bottles were heavy when filled with water, and the beer can was much lighter. Painting them black-green-white was the first step, then they would paint little flowers or use application decals.
That depends on your definition of mass produced. A housewife hand making one for their own use certainly is not mass produced, but these particular cans shown in this post someone had boxes made up for them and made at least a somewhat large quantity, judging by the large amounts that have survived the decades. They may have been available in retail outlets in said boxes or by mail order, all with the same design, all sprayed black and not brushed. By my definition this is mass production.

Mass production: the production or manufacture of goods in large quantities, especially by machinery.

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Disagree. People make "Craft" items all the time. They are similar is design but not massed produced. If they were we would see them everywhere and we do not. They are hard to come by, and are typically located with other tole-painted items in antique stores. Find me two that look exactly alike and I might change my mind.
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I have seen two painted conetop sprinkle cans complete with the boxes they were packaged for sale in. Boxes were factory produced even having pics of the product so I agree with Onefineday. At least some were commercially produced for retail sale.

Onefineday wrote:
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So lets clarify a few things. "Toleware" items are self-produced pieces and were suggested to housewives through "Hints to Heloise" articles in the local newspapers. They were not mass produced. They were used to sprinkle clothes with water when Ironing. Housewives would buy the little sprinkler tops at the hardware store to fit on soda bottles. These bottles were heavy when filled with water, and the beer can was much lighter. Painting them black-green-white was the first step, then they would paint little flowers or use application decals.
That depends on your definition of mass produced. A housewife hand making one for their own use certainly is not mass produced, but these particular cans shown in this post someone had boxes made up for them and made at least a somewhat large quantity, judging by the large amounts that have survived the decades. They may have been available in retail outlets in said boxes or by mail order, all with the same design, all sprayed black and not brushed. By my definition this is mass production.

Mass production: the production or manufacture of goods in large quantities, especially by machinery.

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I located a picture of one of these with the printed box but am unable to post it due to the board attachment limit has been reached?

Not sure if this refers to my personal limit or the limit of the board in general.

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Onefineday wrote:
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I located a picture of one of these with the printed box but am unable to post it due to the board attachment limit has been reached?

Not sure if this refers to my personal limit or the limit of the board in general.
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Nope, hit our limit, been battling this all day :)
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Well, if Durt Bagg says he's seen them then I have to believe him. He's one of the most honest guys I know, even if he is a Durt Bagg.

I have probably had 20+ of these over the last 10 years, and I have never seen two the same. That includes cans turned into fishing bobbers, white and silver crowntainers, and two quarts used for oil spouts. I also have never seen a commercially produced box with one on it or in it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I hate it when my wife proves me wrong, and it is no different here. Dang Durt Bagg!
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Ask and ye shall receive... can's been sitting on my desk for like a week now. I'll begin rubbing in 3...2...1...
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Thanks for the pic Onefineday!!
That is exactly the box I have seen twice.

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I had one of those, back when I collected cones only. Yes, it was a Cardinal. Only cleaned the front of the can. Left the back half with the black paint.
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menke wrote:
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Ask and ye shall receive... can's been sitting on my desk for like a week now. I'll begin rubbing in 3...2...1...
We have been waiting for the results now for 2 weeks, any updates?

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Was there ever a reveal on this can?

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