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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Plusonegolfer » Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:57 am

Clarkston1 wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:40 am
I didn't see the Detroit Regal 122-3.

One-indoor example and 3 dumpers.

https://www.mbcinfo.com/mi/data/Breweri ... ewery.html

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Good catch, I’ll add it when I have some time to update the list.

Interestingly, there’s been no conversation about a few of the 50’s flats like Ranch, Better Foods. Etc. I literally have never seen an example of either in any condition except the book. I add cones at some point but we can refine this list for a really long time as we all know the rarest cans may or may not have been priced correctly that long ago...



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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by mtracy64 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:40 am

Plusonegolfer wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:57 am
Clarkston1 wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:40 am
I didn't see the Detroit Regal 122-3.

One-indoor example and 3 dumpers.

https://www.mbcinfo.com/mi/data/Breweri ... ewery.html

https://www.therustybunch.com/phpBB3/vi ... on#p120895
Good catch, I’ll add it when I have some time to update the list.

Interestingly, there’s been no conversation about a few of the 50’s flats like Ranch, Better Foods. Etc. I literally have never seen an example of either in any condition except the book. I add cones at some point but we can refine this list for a really long time as we all know the rarest cans may or may not have been priced correctly that long ago...
I'm better with the older cans, but I do have a little to share on some of the 1950's CA cans you listed.

I saw an offgrade Ranch Beer shortly after returning to the hobby in the late 1980's. I met Wayne Stober at the first show I went to. He lived half a mile from me, and invited me over to see his collection. I wasn't very knowledgeable at all, and I only remember the Ranch Beer because Wayne called attention to it. I remember it as a pretty good offgrade can despite not recalling specific details of the condition. The Lewandowski collection included a decent outdoor can.

The Lewandowski collection also included what appeared to be indoor offgrade examples of the Hollywood Ranch and Better Foods

The same Michigan collection I mentioned above included ongrade examples of the Better Foods and Glacier last time I was there. Several collectors have been able to acquire cans from this collection over the past decade or so, and I don't know exactly what has moved. I do know that the Glacier is gone and has sold at least twice more since it left. I first met this gentleman shortly after returning to the hobby also. I commented "nice can" on a can he was looking at at a show, and he replied that it wasn't clean enough for him. I asked, "So, you collect grade 1 or better then?". He replied, rather forcefully, "No, I collect mint cans".

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Scott » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:35 pm

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Only one I remember seeing.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Longopener » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:05 pm

Here's Better Foods that's in Michigan.

The owner also brought up that the India by Hornung (85/12) isn't on you list and he has the one in the USBC.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by mtracy64 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:55 pm

Longopener wrote:
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Here's Better Foods that's in Michigan.

The owner also brought up that the India by Hornung (85/12) isn't on you list and he has the one in the USBC.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by eric » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:13 pm

I remember seeing an off-grade Ranch at a show in Michigan, probably in the early 90's, as I recall a little better than the one Scott posted. May very well have been Wayne's. I never went over a dollar for a can at that time, and I think it had $20 on it so I passed. I'm sure someone in Michigan got it, maybe Leon.

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Clarkston1 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:06 pm

Some tough examples here...…..Ruppiner, Little Imp, Edel Brau ALe/Beer, R&H Ale, Bond Hill, Autocrat.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by HiJax » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:12 pm

I've got a Lucky Bankers Ale 93-2 in pretty clean indoor condition. Some moisture spotting on it as you can see. The only other one I've ever seen personally was at the Canvention a few years ago- Dan Morean had one in similar condition with a price tag of $6,000. Then there is the one pictured in the book that appears to be grade 1. Those are the only three I'm aware of.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by mtracy64 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:17 pm

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Some tough examples here...…..Ruppiner, Little Imp, Edel Brau ALe/Beer, R&H Ale, Bond Hill, Autocrat.
Thanks for posting this. I only have photos of the Lewandowski totes numbered 4, 5 and 6 for some reason. This would have been #1. I'd love to get #2 and #3 if you have them.

The two Brau Haus cans and Schultz are the same cans I posted above, and the Arrow English Style Ale is the same can Dan B posted in the discussion about cans not known ongrade. The cans that look wildly out of place in the tote are all Withdrawn Free.

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by mtracy64 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:44 pm

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I've got a Lucky Bankers Ale 93-2 in pretty clean indoor condition. Some moisture spotting on it as you can see. The only other one I've ever seen personally was at the Canvention a few years ago- Dan Morean had one in similar condition with a price tag of $6,000. Then there is the one pictured in the book that appears to be grade 1. Those are the only three I'm aware of. IMG_2098[1].JPG
Nice! The only one I've seen besides the USBC can is a touched-up dumper CMD picked up at Blue/Grey years ago. The similarity of the colors of the label and the band around it is odd enough that I thought the book can might be faded, but apparently not.

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by sgramling » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:48 pm

Didn't Mike Wilbur list one for sale on here... 5 years or so back?


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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Plusonegolfer » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:04 pm

GENTS, I am updating the original thread in RED as new intel is shared. I will endeavor to keep it up to date so it can become a good resource, but may not update it on each new piece information. I’m happy to keep working on it from time to time.

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by mtracy64 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:51 pm

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GENTS, I am updating the original thread in RED as new intel is shared. I will endeavor to keep it up to date so it can become a good resource, but may not update it on each new piece information. I’m happy to keep working on it from time to time.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Clarkston1 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:59 pm

Not sure if these are the Lewandowski pictures you needed.....threw in the National Can Company ad from October 1936 with the Detroit Regal too.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Rand » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:22 pm

So cool to see all the hands that Triangle went through :-)
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by Flat_Top » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:45 pm

mtracy64 wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:17 pm
Clarkston1 wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:06 pm
Some tough examples here...…..Ruppiner, Little Imp, Edel Brau ALe/Beer, R&H Ale, Bond Hill, Autocrat.
Thanks for posting this. I only have photos of the Lewandowski totes numbered 4, 5 and 6 for some reason. This would have been #1. I'd love to get #2 and #3 if you have them.

The two Brau Haus cans and Schultz are the same cans I posted above, and the Arrow English Style Ale is the same can Dan B posted in the discussion about cans not known ongrade. The cans that look wildly out of place in the tote are all Withdrawn Free.

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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I made a list of the $1000+ flat tops in the original book. I am always curious which cans are rarer than others, and its not always easy to discern. Some labels are seen often but never in high grade (think Steinbrau etc), others are virtually never seen at all in any grade (think Triangle). Some cans are thought to be unique but fortunately the only one known is in great condition; some unique cans are well off-grade. The purpose of this thread is to learn more about what is really out there and to help me and others better understand how many of certain labels exist. Here’s the list with my initial comments of what I know. Have fun...

28-7 ABC Ale - seen maybe two, neither as good as the book.
29-35 Alpen Glow Ale - seen two or three of these, never in good condition
31-32 A-1 Ale - seen plenty of these and owned a good one awhile back
31-40 Arrow Ale - seen less than a handful, never better than the can pictured
32-1 Arrow Ale - seen two, one is pictured, the other not as good
32-17 Atlas Yorkshire Ale - seen two or three, all grade 2+ or lower
32-(32-31) Autocrat - seen a few dumper but never a good one of either label
32-(33-35) Badger - own one in 1-1+, and have seen many - rare in perfect shape
35-(17-19). Bay State Beer - own 17 near perfect, never seen other except in bad shape YELLOW BEERS ARE PLENTIFUL WITH A HANDFUL COMPLETELY ON GRADE AND MANY OTHERS IN GOOD SHAPE. THE SILVER BEER IS ELUSIVE AND MAY NOT BE KNOWN ON GRADE
35-22 B&B Beer - have never seen this can in any condition except in book
36-33 Better Foods - have never seen this can in any condition except in book ONE OR TWO ON GRADE, POSSIBLY OTHERS IN LESSER CONDIION
37-(15-18). Black Dallas - seen plenty of each, but rarely in great condition. Don’t know enough about the variance to determine rarity
39-34 Blue & Gold - only seen once in dumper condition
40-37 Bond Hill Deluxe - have never seen this can before
41-11 Brau Haus Ale - only seen one and it was off-grade
41-13 Brau Haus Half & Half - never seen this one before
42-5 Brown Derby - seen one or two in dumper, I own the pictured can. One additional can is located under an Associated paper label can
43-18 Buckingham Ale - seen three or four, never perfect although one 1/1+ 4-5 KNOWN ON GRADE, PLUS A HANDFUL OF OTHERS OF OFF GRADE
44-26 Budweiser Bock - plenty of these around
47-(34-35). Cab Cream Ale - brown label is rarer, both seen occasionally in top condition
48-28 Centlivre - seen dumpers, but never another as good as the bookTHIS CAN IS RARE BUT AT LEAST 4-6 ARE KNOWN ONGRADE
49-23 Chief - dumpers are around, never seen on as good as book
49-30. Class Pilsner - never seen ongrade, have seen 2-4 off grade. ONLY ONE ON GRADE IS KNOWN, AND ITS GOOD BUT NOT PERFECT
49-(33-34) Label is not rare, a handful ongrade were found, I own the LA can which is much harder to find on grade
50-(17-18). Columbia - have seen 17 off grade twice, 18 off grade 1-2 times
51-(26-27). Copenhagen - Seen only a few in 40 years, once in 1/1+ or better. No idea if one brewery or another is harder
51-30 Coronado - seen several dumpers, but never an ongrade example
52-(11-12) Cremo - have never seen 11, and only one or two of 12 in off grade
52-(15-17). Croft Pilgrim - 2-4 of 15 in generally off grade; have never seen 16, 17 was just sold in an auction as is 1 of 3 I have seen.
53-24 Dawson Bock - not seen often, but doesn’t appear to be very elusive. I have one that I would like to sell
53-28 DeSoto - seen a handful but never as good as the one pictured
53-35 Dingle Bay - have only seen one on grade and that was Gene Judd’s - a few off-grade. DAN MOREAN OWNS THE ONLY KNOWN GRADE ONE OR BETTER CAN BASED ON TODAY’S INTEL
54-15 Dobler Bock - seen this one about 4-5 times, only twice, as good as book.
58-(33-35). Edel Brau - only have seen the Ale one or two time, never seen either of the beers
59-(14-15). Eigenbrodt’s - the beer is commonly seen, often in good condition. Ale only have seen a couple in ongrade
60-(2-8) English Lad - own a good Ale and have seen many, Beer only have seen 2-3 times on grade
60-37 Esslinger Bock - seen one or two off grade and only the one pictured ongrade
61-12 Eureka - seen often off grade, rare in on grade, maybe 2-3. I had one prior.
61-(16-17) Excell - seen off grade reasonably often, formerly owned both in near 1+
62-(27-28) Faust - seen three or four total including a new 1+ that I formerly owned. A few rolled ones around too.
63-6 Feigenspan Bock - seen in dumper 5-6 times, on grade 3-4.
63-1 Finer Flavor - seen a handful of dumpers, but never one as good as book.
64-37 Fox deLuxe OI - seen one or two dumper, but never another on grade example
67-6 Four 4 Crowns - tall can. Have seen numerous dumpers, but never one ongrade
67-(27-28) - Grace Bro’s Ale - seen 3-4 dumpers, and one in grade 1- recently. G Judd
67-17 F&S Bock - plain can rarely seen. I have seen two, one good and one terrible.
68-15 Genesee 12 Horse Ale - seen often, but never perfect, have seen 2 in grade one or a little better
68-16 Genesee Light Ale - I own this can in A1+, have seen half dozen in less condition
68-25 Genesee Liebotschaner - never seen this can before in any grade, expect in book ONE CONFIRMED IN REAL GOOD CONDITION, NO INTEL ON OTHERS
68-(26-27) Genesee Liebotschaner - have seen these two labels a handfull of times, but rarely on grade. A COUPLE OF EACH KNOWN GRADE ONE OR BETTER
69-1 Germantown - I have seen three with one in grade one, the other two lesser.
69-(30-31). Gilt Edge - seen he OI can two or three times in bad cond. formerly owned the other can in A1+ but its the only one I ever saw that good
70-4 Glacier - seen less than six and never one even close to the one in the book.
72-18 Golden Armor - seen one or two off grade but never a good one
72-23 Golden Brau Bock - have seen a dozen of this can but only one in grade one or better
72-32 Golden Crown - seen one or two off grade, never an on grade example like book
73-(28-31) Golden Rod - seen only 3-4 of grade and have never seen any ongrade
28-13 Gunthers Ale - saw one can off grade, never on grade
78-18 Gunther Beer - have seen three or four on grade, a few dumpers
78-(29-30) Gunther Bock - have seen three or four on grade but never 1+
78-34 Hackers Ale - on eBay now in about grade 1-, never seen another...
83-11 Hollywood Ranch Market - have never seen this can on or off grade except in book. ONE KNOWN ON GRADE - LIKELY OTHERS, BUT NONE KNOWN TO DATE
83-24 Hopfheiser - one known on grade, only seen two dumpers
83-(28-30) Horlucks - 28 have seen a dozen in grades 1-3; never seen 29 at all, own 30 in A1+
83-32 Hornung Cream Ale - never seen this can, but I own one A1+ from Stark
84 (1-2). Hornung Bock - seen 1 once in on grade, never in other condition. Own 2 in grade 1-ish
84-22 Hull Lager - have never seen this can outside of the one in the book
84-29 Humboldt - seem many dumper but find is rare in ongrade. I former had one in 1/1+
84-38 Ilsner - seen a few off grade and own one in 1- or 2+
85-9 - Imperial - seen a handful in off grade, never one better than 1-/2+ 6-8 of these cans are know, but none on grade so far...
85-12. India VERY RARE CAN WITH ONLY ONE OR TWO KNOWN, TO DATE
85-32 Iron City - rare in book condition, only seen two in lesser shape. UNDERSTAND THERE ARE 5-7 TOTAL, WITH ONE IN HIGH GRADE
87-5 Jax Ale - can is elusive in 1/1+ condition. Had one prior, probably have seen 6 or so in off grade 3-4 known in grade one, 1-2 maybe a little better, half dozen grade 2 or worse
87-31. Kent Ale - have seen a number of dumpers, but rare on grade. I have one in grade 1 or better. A couple known in 1/1+ now and several dumpers too
88-3 Kings Taste - not rare in dumper form, but never seen one close to book condition
90-(25-27) Krueger Bock - have seen each in dumper half dozen times, a few in on grade around grade one. AT LEAST FIVE KRUEGER’S BOCK CANS KNOWN IN GRADE ONE OR BETTER; AT LEAST ONE OF THE KRUEGER VARIETIES KNOW IN GRADE ONE, AND MAYBE MORE...
90-36 Krug - have seen four or five dumpers, and one in grade one, never another like book
91-(8-9). Leidig’ s - never have seen the German Style in any condition, the other have seen four or five with two near perfect
91-26 Liebmann’s XXX - never seen a dumper and never one better than book
9I-27 Liebmann’s OI - I own the pictured can, have only seen one other. THREE EXAMPLES KNOWN, ALL GRADE 1- OR LESS.
91-(38-39) Lion Bock and Beer - never seen either in any form except book
91-40 Lisco - available widely in dumper condition but rarely in grade one. I had one prior.
92-1 LITTLE IMP - ONE ON GRADE EXAMPLE KNOWN, UNKNOWN NUMBER OF OTHER EXAMPLES
92-6 Log Cabin - seen 5 of these and 4 were in grade one or better. Occasionally in dumper
92-(16-17) Lubeck - have only seen a few of these on grade but know of others, and never a can from Toledo except the A1+ example I own.
92-(36,37,40) - Lucky Ale - seen 36 a few times and own one in grade one or better. Never seen 37, and I believe 40 is unique but I’ve never seen one.
93-(1-2). Lucky Ale - seen five or six of 1 in ongrade, never seen a 2 on or off grade
94-22 Manhattan Ale - seen a number of dumpers, but only one on grade than I owned prior. Have never seen another bock can outside of the one pictured.
94-(34-35). Marlin - have seen 34 a dozen times, but never better than mine at 1/1+. Seen 35 6-8 times and never as good as pictured.
100-(22-24). Monogram - seen 20 in dumper 2x, 21 never seen this one, seen 22 one time and never like the one in the book
103-5 Neuweiler’s Bock - seen three total, two on grade, and one dumper. The two on grade are both excellent grade one examples
103-8. New England Ale - never seen this one, or maybe I have as there are many dumper that all look the same as the others
103-9 - New England Beer - never seen another example outside the dumper in the book
103-(11-13). New Yorker - I own the set in the book, I have seen a few rub outs, one rolled can, and have never seen another half and half.
103-14 Niborg - been collecting 40 years and have never seen this can in any condition
103-(38-39) - NuDeal - widely available in dumper, formerly had one in 1-1+.
103-40 - NuGlobe - seen one or two dumpers, but never one like the book
104-(9-10) - Old Style - have seen two in ongrade, and plenty of dumpers
105-37. Old Dutch Bock - seen one in dumper, but never a good example
107-3 Old Gold - seen at least a dozen of this can in dumper and never one in 1+. Two or three in grade one
180-(4-5). Old St Louis - seen two Ales, one dumper one near perfect. Seen three or four beers with one near grade 1/1+
112-15 Palomar - seen a handful of dumpers, but never one better than 1- ONE ON GRADE EXAMPLE IS KNOW, A FEW DUMPERS
113-(10&14) Peter Doelger Ale and Bock - seen plenty of Ales but never high grade, Seen two bocks, one great, the other faded badly
115-30 Pikes Peak - have seen three or four in off grade, and own one in 1/1+ HANDFUL KNOWN ON GRADE AND ANOTHER HANDFUL OR TWO IN VARIOUS OFF GRADE CONDITION
115-(37-38). Pilsen Brau - seen plenty on grade of 38, never seen 37 better than book although I have one grade one
116-(21-24). Poth’s - seen a few dumper and two on grade 21 and 22. Never seen a 23 and I own the only 24 in high grade that I have ever seen
116-37 Primo - seen three or four off-grade and two on grade. I owned one in grade one. Book is best I have seen
117-13 Progress - have seen a handful of dumpers, a handful of ongrade examples.
118-37 Ranch - have never seen this can in any condition other than the book. SEVERAL EXAMPLES ARE KNOWN, BUT NONE PERFECT - BOOK APPEARS TO BE THE BEST ONE
119-(31-35). Red Top - seen a variety of dumpers of all, but only one or two on grade 31 and 33. Never seen 35 ongrade.
125-(25-27). Regal Amber - the red can is widely seen off grade, seen two times on grade. Have only seen one green can and it was off.
120-30 Regal India Ale - only seen this can once, and it was on RB site last week
122-34 Special R&H - seen two dumpers, and never an on grade example
123-27 Rheingold McSorley’s - seen three examples, one off grade, two about 1-/2+
124-(15-16) Rheingold - double bock I’ve seen six times, the Pale only twice both in good shape
124-(24-25) Rheinlander - have only seen this can two times, one dumper one in about grade one
125-10. Rishwain - widely available in dumper, never seen one as good as book.
125-(13-14). Roger Williams - seen two in dumper and never on grade except picture from Gene Judd’s collection
125-17 Rosalie - seen two or three dumpers, and the one in the book ONE GREAT EXAMPLE AND ONE OR TWO DUMPES ARE KNOWN
126-(24-25). Jacob Ruppert Bock - seen a handful of dumpers and a handful of on grade examples
126-33 - Jacob Ruppert Ruppiner - never seen this can in any condition
127-(6-7) only OI is have seen is the one pictured that I own. Have only seen one non-OI and it was off-grade.
128-20 Schaefer Bock - seen this can four times and two in good shape
132-(4-5) Schultz - seen a few dumper of each but never one on grade ONE OF TWO OF EACH KNOWN ON GRADE, MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHERS...
135-(13-15). St Claire - 13 and 15 I have seen many time in dumper condition. I had 13 in A1+ prior, but never 14 or 15. I have never seen 14 at all in any condition
136-18 Steinbrau - widely seen in dumper, rare in high on grade - I have one 1/1+ and I have never seen better
136-21 Canadian Brand Cream Ale - I have never seen this can in any condition
137-(11-13). Storz Winterbru - widely available as dumpers, rare in high on grade. Same with 137-15 which I have seen in on grade 7-8 times
137-(32-34). Stroud - all rare, seen two or three times on grade each, and an equal number of dumpers
138-32 Tiger - only version I have ever seen is in book. LIKELY A UNIQUE CAN, AND IN ON GRADE CONDITION
139-(18-21) - Town Club - have seen many in dumper cond and a handful in near perfect.
139-22 Town House - never seen an example of this other than book
139-23 - Triangle - never seen an example of this one other than book. EXTREMELY RARE LABEL ONLY KNOW OFF GRADE - 1-2 EXAMPLES
139-(34-36). Tommer’s Bock - Seen two of three dumpers an one each on grade. Seen three on grade of 36.
140-(18-19) Trump’s - have seen four or five dumpers and three or four on grade. Mine is grade one or a shade better and is the best I’ve seen in person.
143-34 Viking Draft - I have seen two of three on grade, but never a dumper - interesting?6-8 OF THESE ARE KNOWN, WITH SOME DUMPERS AND SOME ON GRADE - RARE CAN FOR SURE
144-1 Waldorf Samson Ale - seen a few dumpers and a handful on grade. Not as rare as originally thought. NOW AWARE OF AT LEAST 6-10 OF THESE ON GRADE
144-10 Waldorf golden Bock - never seen an example of this can. MAY BE A DUMPER OR TWO, BUT ONLY ONE ON GRADE KNOWN
144-38 Wehle Beer - seen only a few examples, but several were in good shape.
145-(14-16) White Horse - the black can from Toledo, OH I have never seen in any condition. Have seen plenty of the Chicago cans in a wide variety of condition. Few are near perfect ONE NICE BUT A BIT OFF GRADE CAN KNOWN, ONE ROLLED CAN THAT MAY BE A SHORT SHEET WHICH IS PICTURED IN THE BOOK -EXTREMELY RARE CAN
147-14. Zest - seen one dumper example, and the one in the book

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I believe there is at least 6 dumper Rosalie cans known, one indoor but offgrade I owned, and one ongrade?

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Grade 2\2+ Steins we sold to Gene. We were just the middle men, selling cans for a friend.

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My Gunther and Gunther Ale, I am guessing three ales on grade?

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Dan B wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:01 pm
I believe there is at least 6 dumper Rosalie cans known, one indoor but offgrade I owned, and one ongrade?

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That’s the best one I’ve seen other than the on grade one...thx

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I made a list of the $1000+ flat tops in the original book. I am always curious which cans are rarer than others, and its not always easy to discern. Some labels are seen often but never in high grade (think Steinbrau etc), others are virtually never seen at all in any grade (think Triangle). Some cans are thought to be unique but fortunately the only one known is in great condition; some unique cans are well off-grade. The purpose of this thread is to learn more about what is really out there and to help me and others better understand how many of certain labels exist. Here’s the list with my initial comments of what I know. Have fun...

28-7 ABC Ale - seen maybe two, neither as good as the book.
29-35 Alpen Glow Ale - seen two or three of these, never in good condition
31-32 A-1 Ale - seen plenty of these and owned a good one awhile back
31-40 Arrow Ale - seen less than a handful, never better than the can pictured
32-1 Arrow Ale - seen two, one is pictured, the other not as good
32-17 Atlas Yorkshire Ale - seen two or three, all grade 2+ or lower
32-(32-31) Autocrat - seen a few dumper but never a good one of either label
32-(33-35) Badger - own one in 1-1+, and have seen many - rare in perfect shape
35-(17-19). Bay State Beer - own 17 near perfect, never seen other except in bad shape YELLOW BEERS ARE PLENTIFUL WITH A HANDFUL COMPLETELY ON GRADE AND MANY OTHERS IN GOOD SHAPE. THE SILVER BEER IS ELUSIVE AND MAY NOT BE KNOWN ON GRADE
35-22 B&B Beer - have never seen this can in any condition except in book
36-33 Better Foods - have never seen this can in any condition except in book ONE OR TWO ON GRADE, POSSIBLY OTHERS IN LESSER CONDIION
37-(15-18). Black Dallas - seen plenty of each, but rarely in great condition. Don’t know enough about the variance to determine rarity
39-34 Blue & Gold - only seen once in dumper condition
40-37 Bond Hill Deluxe - have never seen this can before
41-11 Brau Haus Ale - only seen one and it was off-grade
41-13 Brau Haus Half & Half - never seen this one before
42-5 Brown Derby - seen one or two in dumper, I own the pictured can. One additional can is located under an Associated paper label can
43-18 Buckingham Ale - seen three or four, never perfect although one 1/1+ 4-5 KNOWN ON GRADE, PLUS A HANDFUL OF OTHERS OF OFF GRADE
44-26 Budweiser Bock - plenty of these around
47-(34-35). Cab Cream Ale - brown label is rarer, both seen occasionally in top condition
48-28 Centlivre - seen dumpers, but never another as good as the bookTHIS CAN IS RARE BUT AT LEAST 4-6 ARE KNOWN ONGRADE
49-23 Chief - dumpers are around, never seen on as good as book
49-30. Class Pilsner - never seen ongrade, have seen 2-4 off grade. ONLY ONE ON GRADE IS KNOWN, AND ITS GOOD BUT NOT PERFECT
49-(33-34) Label is not rare, a handful ongrade were found, I own the LA can which is much harder to find on grade
50-(17-18). Columbia - have seen 17 off grade twice, 18 off grade 1-2 times
51-(26-27). Copenhagen - Seen only a few in 40 years, once in 1/1+ or better. No idea if one brewery or another is harder
51-30 Coronado - seen several dumpers, but never an ongrade example
52-(11-12) Cremo - have never seen 11, and only one or two of 12 in off grade
52-(15-17). Croft Pilgrim - 2-4 of 15 in generally off grade; have never seen 16, 17 was just sold in an auction as is 1 of 3 I have seen.
53-24 Dawson Bock - not seen often, but doesn’t appear to be very elusive. I have one that I would like to sell
53-28 DeSoto - seen a handful but never as good as the one pictured several rolled cans in good shape are known, a couple ongrade originals are known in 1is, and maybe more but not verified
53-35 Dingle Bay - have only seen one on grade and that was Gene Judd’s - a few off-grade. DAN MOREAN OWNS THE ONLY KNOWN GRADE ONE OR BETTER CAN BASED ON TODAY’S INTEL
54-15 Dobler Bock - seen this one about 4-5 times, only twice, as good as book.
58-(33-35). Edel Brau - only have seen the Ale one or two time, never seen either of the beers
59-(14-15). Eigenbrodt’s - the beer is commonly seen, often in good condition. Ale only have seen a couple in ongrade
60-(2-8) English Lad - own a good Ale and have seen many, Beer only have seen 2-3 times on grademay be more ongrade Beers than originally thought, number unknown
60-37 Esslinger Bock - seen one or two off grade and only the one pictured ongrade
61-12 Eureka - seen often off grade, rare in on grade, maybe 2-3. I had one prior.
61-(16-17) Excell - seen off grade reasonably often, formerly owned both in near 1+
62-(27-28) Faust - seen three or four total including a new 1+ that I formerly owned. A few rolled ones around too.
63-6 Feigenspan Bock - seen in dumper 5-6 times, on grade 3-4.
63-1 Finer Flavor - seen a handful of dumpers, but never one as good as book.
64-37 Fox deLuxe OI - seen one or two dumper, but never another on grade example
67-6 Four 4 Crowns - tall can. Have seen numerous dumpers, but never one ongrade
67-(27-28) - Grace Bro’s Ale - seen 3-4 dumpers, and one in grade 1- recently. G Judd
67-17 F&S Bock - plain can rarely seen. I have seen two, one good and one terrible.More are around, but only in 1- or less verified so far
68-15 Genesee 12 Horse Ale - seen often, but never perfect, have seen 2 in grade one or a little bettera few more have been verified with a couple in top shape
68-16 Genesee Light Ale - I own this can in A1+, have seen half dozen in less condition
68-25 Genesee Liebotschaner - never seen this can before in any grade, expect in book ONE CONFIRMED IN REAL GOOD CONDITION, NO INTEL ON OTHERS
68-(26-27) Genesee Liebotschaner - have seen these two labels a handfull of times, but rarely on grade. A COUPLE OF EACH KNOWN GRADE ONE OR BETTER
69-1 Germantown - I have seen three with one in grade one, the other two lesser.
69-(30-31). Gilt Edge - seen he OI can two or three times in bad cond. formerly owned the other can in A1+ but its the only one I ever saw that good
70-4 Glacier - seen less than six and never one even close to the one in the book.
72-18 Golden Armor - seen one or two off grade but never a good one
72-23 Golden Brau Bock - have seen a dozen of this can but only one in grade one or better
72-32 Golden Crown - seen one or two off grade, never an on grade example like book
73-(28-31) Golden Rod - seen only 3-4 of grade and have never seen any ongrade
28-13 Gunthers Ale - saw one can off grade, never on gradeAT LEAST THREE ONGRADE ARE KNOWN
78-18 Gunther Beer - have seen three or four on grade, a few dumpersit appears there are more than three ongrade and a few more in 1- to 2- condition
78-(29-30) Gunther Bock - have seen three or four on grade but never 1+
78-34 Hackers Ale - on eBay now in about grade 1-, never seen another...
83-11 Hollywood Ranch Market - have never seen this can on or off grade except in book. ONE KNOWN ON GRADE - LIKELY OTHERS, BUT NONE KNOWN TO DATE
83-24 Hopfheiser - one known on grade, only seen two dumpers
83-(28-30) Horlucks - 28 have seen a dozen in grades 1-3; never seen 29 at all, own 30 in A1+
83-32 Hornung Cream Ale - never seen this can, but I own one A1+ from Stark
84 (1-2). Hornung Bock - seen 1 once in on grade, never in other condition. Own 2 in grade 1-ishat least three in grade one are now known
84-22 Hull Lager - have never seen this can outside of the one in the book
84-29 Humboldt - seen many dumpers but finding one is rare in ongrade. I former had one in 1/1+
84-38 Ilsner - seen a few off grade and own one in 1- or 2+ At least one ongrade is known
85-9 - Imperial - seen a handful in off grade, never one better than 1-/2+ 6-8 of these cans are know, but none on grade so far...
85-12. India VERY RARE CAN WITH ONLY ONE OR TWO KNOWN, TO DATE
85-32 Iron City - rare in book condition, only seen two in lesser shape. UNDERSTAND THERE ARE 5-7 TOTAL, WITH ONE IN HIGH GRADE
87-5 Jax Ale - can is elusive in 1/1+ condition. Had one prior, probably have seen 6 or so in off grade 3-4 known in grade one, 1-2 maybe a little better, half dozen grade 2 or worse
87-31. Kent Ale - have seen a number of dumpers, but rare on grade. I have one in grade 1 or better. A couple known in 1/1+ now and several dumpers too
88-3 Kings Taste - not rare in dumper form, but never seen one close to book condition
90-(25-27) Krueger Bock - have seen each in dumper half dozen times, a few in on grade around grade one. AT LEAST FIVE KRUEGER’S BOCK CANS KNOWN IN GRADE ONE OR BETTER; AT LEAST ONE OF THE KRUEGER VARIETIES KNOW IN GRADE ONE, AND MAYBE MORE...
90-36 Krug - have seen four or five dumpers, and one in grade one, never another like book
91-(8-9). Leidig’ s - never have seen the German Style in any condition, the other have seen four or five with two near perfect
91-26 Liebmann’s XXX - never seen a dumper and never one better than book
9I-27 Liebmann’s OI - I own the pictured can, have only seen one other. THREE EXAMPLES KNOWN, ALL GRADE 1- OR LESS.
91-(38-39) Lion Bock and Beer - never seen either in any form except book
91-40 Lisco - available widely in dumper condition but rarely in grade one. I had one prior.
92-1 LITTLE IMP - ONE ON GRADE EXAMPLE KNOWN, UNKNOWN NUMBER OF OTHER EXAMPLES
92-6 Log Cabin - seen 5 of these and 4 were in grade one or better. Occasionally in dumper
92-(16-17) Lubeck - have only seen a few of these on grade but know of others, and never a can from Toledo except the A1+ example I own.
92-(36,37,40) - Lucky Ale - seen 36 a few times and own one in grade one or better. Never seen 37, and I believe 40 is unique but I’ve never seen one.
93-(1-2). Lucky Ale - seen five or six of 1 in ongrade, never seen a 2 on or off grade
94-22 Manhattan Ale - seen a number of dumpers, but only one on grade than I owned prior. Have never seen another bock can outside of the one pictured.
94-(34-35). Marlin - have seen 34 a dozen times, but never better than mine at 1/1+. Seen 35 6-8 times and never as good as pictured.THERE ARE THREE GREEN HORNETS KNOWN IN 1/1+ OR BETTER, SOME DUMPERS AS WELL IN VARYING CONDITIONS
100-(22-24). Monogram - seen 20 in dumper 2x, 21 never seen this one, seen 22 one time and never like the one in the book
103-5 Neuweiler’s Bock - seen three total, two on grade, and one dumper. The two on grade are both excellent grade one examples
103-8. New England Ale - never seen this one, or maybe I have as there are many dumper that all look the same as the others
103-9 - New England Beer - never seen another example outside the dumper in the book
103-(11-13). New Yorker - I own the set in the book, I have seen a few rub outs, one rolled can, and have never seen another half and half.
103-14 Niborg - been collecting 40 years and have never seen this can in any condition
103-(38-39) - NuDeal - widely available in dumper, formerly had one in 1-1+.
103-40 - NuGlobe - seen one or two dumpers, but never one like the book
104-(9-10) - Old Style - have seen two in ongrade, and plenty of dumpers
105-37. Old Dutch Bock - seen one in dumper, but never a good example
107-3 Old Gold - seen at least a dozen of this can in dumper and never one in 1+. Two or three in grade one
180-(4-5). Old St Louis - seen two Ales, one dumper one near perfect. Seen three or four beers with one near grade 1/1+
112-15 Palomar - seen a handful of dumpers, but never one better than 1- ONE ON GRADE EXAMPLE IS KNOW, A FEW DUMPERS
113-(10&14) Peter Doelger Ale and Bock - seen plenty of Ales but never high grade, Seen two bocks, one great, the other faded badly
115-30 Pikes Peak - have seen three or four in off grade, and own one in 1/1+ HANDFUL KNOWN ON GRADE AND ANOTHER HANDFUL OR TWO IN VARIOUS OFF GRADE CONDITION
115-(37-38). Pilsen Brau - seen plenty on grade of 38, never seen 37 better than book although I have one grade one
116-(21-24). Poth’s - seen a few dumper and two on grade 21 and 22. Never seen a 23 and I own the only 24 in high grade that I have ever seen
116-37 Primo - seen three or four off-grade and two on grade. I owned one in grade one. Book is best I have seen
117-13 Progress - have seen a handful of dumpers, a handful of ongrade examples.
118-37 Ranch - have never seen this can in any condition other than the book. SEVERAL EXAMPLES ARE KNOWN, BUT NONE PERFECT - BOOK APPEARS TO BE THE BEST ONE
119-(31-35). Red Top - seen a variety of dumpers of all, but only one or two on grade 31 and 33. Never seen 35 ongrade.
125-(25-27). Regal Amber - the red can is widely seen off grade, seen two times on grade. Have only seen one green can and it was off.
120-30 Regal India Ale - only seen this can once, and it was on RB site last week
122-34 Special R&H - seen two dumpers, and never an on grade example
123-27 Rheingold McSorley’s - seen three examples, one off grade, two about 1-/2+
124-(15-16) Rheingold - double bock I’ve seen six times, the Pale only twice both in good shape
124-(24-25) Rheinlander - have only seen this can two times, one dumper one in about grade one
125-10. Rishwain - widely available in dumper, never seen one as good as book.
125-(13-14). Roger Williams - seen two in dumper and never on grade except picture from Gene Judd’s collection
125-17 Rosalie - seen two or three dumpers, and the one in the book ONE GREAT EXAMPLE AND ONE OR TWO DUMPES ARE KNOWN
126-(24-25). Jacob Ruppert Bock - seen a handful of dumpers and a handful of on grade examples
126-33 - Jacob Ruppert Ruppiner - never seen this can in any condition
127-(6-7) only OI is have seen is the one pictured that I own. Have only seen one non-OI and it was off-grade.
128-20 Schaefer Bock - seen this can four times and two in good shape
132-(4-5) Schultz - seen a few dumper of each but never one on grade ONE OF TWO OF EACH KNOWN ON GRADE, MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHERS...
135-(13-15). St Claire - 13 and 15 I have seen many time in dumper condition. I had 13 in A1+ prior, but never 14 or 15. I have never seen 14 at all in any condition
136-18 Steinbrau - widely seen in dumper, rare in high on grade - I have one 1/1+ and I have never seen better
136-21 Canadian Brand Cream Ale - I have never seen this can in any condition
137-(11-13). Storz Winterbru - widely available as dumpers, rare in high on grade. Same with 137-15 which I have seen in on grade 7-8 times
137-(32-34). Stroud - all rare, seen two or three times on grade each, and an equal number of dumpers
138-32 Tiger - only version I have ever seen is in book. LIKELY A UNIQUE CAN, AND IN ON GRADE CONDITION
139-(18-21) - Town Club - have seen many in dumper cond and a handful in near perfect.
139-22 Town House - never seen an example of this other than book
139-23 - Triangle - never seen an example of this one other than book. EXTREMELY RARE LABEL ONLY KNOW OFF GRADE - 1-2 EXAMPLES
139-(34-36). Tommer’s Bock - Seen two of three dumpers an one each on grade. Seen three on grade of 36.
140-(18-19) Trump’s - have seen four or five dumpers and three or four on grade. Mine is grade one or a shade better and is the best I’ve seen in person.
143-34 Viking Draft - I have seen two of three on grade, but never a dumper - interesting?6-8 OF THESE ARE KNOWN, WITH SOME DUMPERS AND SOME ON GRADE - RARE CAN FOR SURE
144-1 Waldorf Samson Ale - seen a few dumpers and a handful on grade. Not as rare as originally thought. NOW AWARE OF AT LEAST 6-10 OF THESE ON GRADE
144-10 Waldorf golden Bock - never seen an example of this can. MAY BE A DUMPER OR TWO, BUT ONLY ONE ON GRADE KNOWN
144-38 Wehle Beer - seen only a few examples, but several were in good shape.
145-(14-16) White Horse - the black can from Toledo, OH I have never seen in any condition. Have seen plenty of the Chicago cans in a wide variety of condition. Few are near perfect ONE NICE BUT A BIT OFF GRADE CAN KNOWN, ONE ROLLED CAN THAT MAY BE A SHORT SHEET WHICH IS PICTURED IN THE BOOK -EXTREMELY RARE CAN
147-14. Zest - seen one dumper example, and the one in the book
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Post by Can Dr. » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:15 pm

Marc,
These are the Bay State Beer cans I still have, the two cans on the left are in my collection, not quite dumpers. I am working on more information on this topic as well as others in this line of topic of rare cans. I will see if I can get pictures when I can to go along with the information.
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Can Dr. wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:15 pm
Marc,
These are the Bay State Beer cans I still have, the two cans on the left are in my collection, not quite dumpers. I am working on more information on this topic as well as others in this line of topic of rare cans. I will see if I can get pictures when I can to go along with the information.
While not A1+, those two cans on the left are clearly on-grade. Look to be pretty clean with only minimal marks...

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Post by Can Dr. » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:01 pm

Here are a few more cans on your list, and these are minty. As far as grading goes it is so discretionary, ones persons one is a one plus while another's two plus is a one, but there is no margin here. Those Bay States are so close in condition that if you didn't look at it for six months you would forget which and why one is better. The second on the right with the plumed pipe is just slightly less then your auction can, but you would have to hold them both to tell the difference. The can on the far right with the full pipe I consider to be the best example of the Bay State Beer yellow. Although it does have the small scratch right of the seem, It is a full pipe with exceptional colors, flawless paint, and nice lids. Overall a spectacular can.
Just for fun, some insight on your can. First note the heavy dent on the top rim, easily removed, but this tells us it was dropped full. Then we look at the dark black just above the bottom rim, most likely from an aged full can. Now look ay the opener punches. Interesting, but not an opener from 1936/37. Having held the can many times over Dan's I studied it thoroughly last year at Dan's before his show . I just love the life and history of a can.
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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by mtracy64 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:07 pm

Can Dr. wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:15 pm
Marc,
These are the Bay State Beer cans I still have, the two cans on the left are in my collection, not quite dumpers. I am working on more information on this topic as well as others in this line of topic of rare cans. I will see if I can get pictures when I can to go along with the information.
Keith,

I remember the two on the right particularly well, as you had them last time I saw you. I don't play in that end of the pool often, and did not allow myself to consider doing so at that time because of Gene's cones, but I was certainly impressed. I wondered at the time, and still do, if you had sold them and then re-acquired them. They're too good to go unsold for three years.

For the record, the Krueger Bock you showed is the one ongrade non-IRTP can I noted earlier in the discussion.

Marc

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Re: $1000+ flats in USBC book

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Post by hemmings » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:37 pm

It must have been on the RB in 2007 someone posted the Lew. Bros. price list.... They included how many of a can they thought existed to go with those beautiful tote Pictures..... Its 12 pages when I blew it up to 12 font... is it ok to repost that? Hold on, I gotta go but a lotto ticket right now though..... you know, just in case some in this thread turn up in St LouisLouis.... sigh.... Andy
If you have Schmidt scenic cans: white back, 12oz drafts, and most gold ones in either flat or zip I'd love to talk. Also interested in irtp and older Gluek labels.

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