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METALLIC GRAND PRIZE?

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Post by DURTBAGG » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:47 pm

Does this can look metallic or is it just my eyes? :smt017

Don’t recall ever seeing a metallic Grand Prize O/I before and the O/I book doesn’t reference one?
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Re: METALLIC GRAND PRIZE?

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Post by jinsequa » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:02 pm

Don't know much about cans that aren't from the Northwest but that sure looks metallic? It would be easier if it was pictured next to the non-metallic/enamel version that is known. I have definitely had to put cans side by side before to decide if it one was a metallic variation or not.

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Post by pinnacle-project » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:27 pm

Yes, what Eric said. A comparison would make it much easier to decide.
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Post by canhawk » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:44 pm

pinnacle-project wrote:
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Yes, what Eric said. A comparison would make it much easier to decide.
I agree. I think this GP is not the metallic version. When I finally dumped the metallic Drewrys OI, I stopped fondling my enamel version wondering if it was metallic. Think chrome-plated or a finish like a mirror, like a tin lid. It can be tricky, like the metallic version of The Meister Brau OI, as outlined in this post from last year.

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This post prompted Rand to show the GP versions, enamel/semi/metallic from left to right, one with flash, one without.
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Re: METALLIC GRAND PRIZE?

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Post by Rand » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:37 am

In the end, it's very difficult to tell from a picture.....in hand it's much clearer. Here's the rule of thumb....if you are ever holding a can in your hand, and you are questioning whether it's metallic or not....it's not. By and large, metallic cans are obvious and there's rarely a question about it.
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Post by Longopener » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:23 am

Rand has a good rule of thumb.

From looking at your GP Picture, I’d call it a semi metallic.
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Here's the rule of thumb....if you are ever holding a can in your hand, and you are questioning whether it's metallic or not....it's not. By and large, metallic cans are obvious and there's rarely a question about it.
I agree. I use the reflection standard of the shiny tin lid. If it's not that shiny and reflective it's not metallic
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Post by DURTBAGG » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:06 am

Thanks guys-

definitely doesn’t look enamel but not my can so no way to compare in hand. I have what is clearly a non metallic (semi or otherwise) can on the shelf-indoor and it doesn’t have near the “sheen” that this can seems to have in that pic so I’ll go with semi metallic. Again wasn’t even aware of that variation on this can.

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Re: METALLIC GRAND PRIZE?

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Post by Rand » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:16 pm

canhawk wrote:
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This post prompted Rand to show the GP versions, enamel/semi/metallic from left to right, one with flash, one without.
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Here's the other one
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Re: METALLIC GRAND PRIZE?

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Post by mtracy64 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:48 am

The National Can Co. cans with the mirror-finish metallic silver complicate discussions on metallic cans, as the other can companies did not use an equivalent color. National Can used this color beginning in 1935, on Fox Export, Red Tops, and an earlier variation of the last Tru Blu Rand shows. The high-gloss metallic colors on the American Can Co. cans discussed above exist in response to the rationing of aluminum for the war effort in the early 1940's. These colors were achieved using tinted clear coats over the base metal.

So, our terminology isn't quite right. The colors we refer to as 'semi-metallic' are the result of metallic inks that include aluminum, and the higher-gloss cans are something we don't currently have an adequate term for.

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Post by texascans » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:15 pm

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You can never tell with the metallic GP until you hold it up next to a regular can. I believe I'll take a shot on this one as it would be a nice upgrade.
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Post by texascans » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:20 pm

An interesting fact is that all three of the cans shown (battleship gray, metallic & regular finish) all have 1941 date codes. I wonder if the gray or metallic came first?
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Post by mtracy64 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:48 pm

texascans wrote:
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An interesting fact is that all three of the cans shown (battleship gray, metallic & regular finish) all have 1941 date codes. I wonder if the gray or metallic came first?
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That is interesting, especially with USBC-OI stating that several of the cans with the solid red circle (minus 'GP') have 1941 date stamps on the bottom lid. What are your thoughts on that can?

It's not too surprising that the metallic and battleship grey are 1941, as both are the result of the restriction on aluminum usage. I would guess the metallic was first because metallics had been used before, but that's pure speculation.

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texascans wrote:
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You can never tell with the metallic GP until you hold it up next to a regular can. I believe I'll take a shot on this one as it would be a nice upgrade.
So now I am officially confused. Based on what Steve appears to be saying about this one being a nice upgrade, is this this can pictured, the metallic variation??

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DURTBAGG wrote:
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texascans wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:15 pm
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You can never tell with the metallic GP until you hold it up next to a regular can. I believe I'll take a shot on this one as it would be a nice upgrade.
So now I am officially confused. Based on what Steve appears to be saying about this one being a nice upgrade, is this this can pictured, the metallic variation??

No one knows until they are put side-by-side.

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mtracy64 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:48 pm
That is interesting, especially with USBC-OI stating that several of the cans with the solid red circle (minus 'GP') have 1941 date stamps on the bottom lid. What are your thoughts on that can?
Not to take this thread down another rabbit hole, but other than the photo on the book, has anyone ever seen the solid red circle can in person? Does it really exist?

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Longhorn Mike wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:18 am
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:48 pm
That is interesting, especially with USBC-OI stating that several of the cans with the solid red circle (minus 'GP') have 1941 date stamps on the bottom lid. What are your thoughts on that can?
Not to take this thread down another rabbit hole, but other than the photo on the book, has anyone ever seen the solid red circle can in person? Does it really exist?

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Agree 100% Rand


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Post by DURTBAGG » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:55 pm

So what ended up being the general consensus on this Grand Prize can-metallic or no? My original post was made out of curiosity since I had never seen a metallic Grand Prize before. If it is metallic-semi or otherwise, seems like that may be a fairly tough variation. My original post never mentioned that this can was listed on EBAY but it ended tonight at $555. That seems like an awfully high price for a less than pristine “standard” Grand Prize O/I can but not sure if that’s considered a high price if this is in fact the metallic version. And just to clarify-No, I was not one of those bidding-little beyond my budget at the moment!

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Post by texascans » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:13 pm

Believe it or not I put in what I thought was a stupid high bid of $550 and so did someone else (exact same bid) & their snipe bid was one second before mine so I lost!!! I figured it would go for 300 - $400 and thankfully I do have one...

Understand that I only collect Texas cans and rarely get a chance to put a new can on my shelf (or in this case an upgrade). Oh well


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I hope it turns out to be a metallic can


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Post by Rand » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:32 pm

I would have happily paid $550 for a metallic GP in that condition during my OI heyday. But alas, those days are fading in my rear view mirror. As you can see in the previous pictures, my metallic was pretty weak but my other GP (enamel, dull gray, semi-metallic) were in great condition, so the off grade metallic looked bad next to them. Absolutely one I was on the hunt for and that price is the kind of number I would have comfortably plunked down to fix that hole. :-)
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