A pic from Digger - this is BIG !! Michel Crowntainers!

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Re: A pic from Digger - this is BIG !!

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Post by Jim Romine » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:55 am

I had an Old Dutch Bock long before I found a Pilsers. I agree it could be a contender for second place. Don't think there's a really pristine one out there, though. There are of the Michel and Dobler. Most Fitz bocks have some level of fade, even the nice ones, so I think that hurts their value to the high end guys.
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Re: A pic from Digger - this is BIG !!

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Post by mtracy64 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:51 am

The Dobler Bock suffers a bit from being goatless, but I know one did sell at $9,500 or $10,000 a few years back. The USBC-OI lists the non-IRTP Krueger Bock as R8/R8. I've seen enough offgrade indoor cans to support the second 8, but the quality examples apparently hide themselves well. If there are enough quality examples to justify the R8 rating, I don't think they're worth Michel Bock money. The last ongrade Krueger's Bock I saw available was $15,000, and that's the more desirable long opener can.

Yes, the nice Fitzgerald's Bocks I've seen were a little off. The can also isn't as attractive as some of the others being discussed, so the appeal is likely less widespread.

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Re: A pic from Digger - this is BIG !! Michel Crowntainers!

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Post by mtracy64 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Not that it has any bearing on the non-IRTP Krueger Bock, but the Krueger's Bock long opener can has sold higher than $15,000 a couple times in recent years.

Interestingly, the McCoy Michel Beer Crowntainer is listed as sold at $1,900. There must be more of them around than we thought, though none of the dealer sites show others sold.

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Re: A pic from Digger - this is BIG !! Michel Crowntainers!

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Post by BrooklynBeer » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:59 pm

The Fitzgerald Bock (no fade and +1) I found at the Knickerbocker Chapter show my father and I hosted in Blue Point back in the mid 80's was a find in a life time at 10 bucks and I passed it on down the line some years later when we decided to only collect NYC items. Sold for 650 after the Niagara canvention. It really is an underrated 1950's bock can in rarity but lacks much of any eye appeal. I had a bad dumper before that one. But the Dobler bock I think is x3 as rare. Has anyone seen a Dobler bock in a bottle? I still have a Fitzgerald Bock bottle and seen some Mitchell bock labels

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Re: A pic from Digger - this is BIG !! Michel Crowntainers!

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Post by mtracy64 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:27 pm

I'm in Michigan and I only collect cans, so I'm not a good one to answer on a NY bottle. However, I did find this picture of a Dobler Bock label. I also found a dealer site stating they knew of four indoor cans and one dumper, which is one more of each than I knew of.

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