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Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Dixie Dave » Tue May 07, 2019 2:24 pm

I'm hoping that someone can answer the question of this Falstaff flat. I've never seen one like it, and I bought it from Ken Jones out of that collection he is selling at the Montgomery show. I would like to know what I have. Is this one of those Oregon cans from when they banned ring-top cans around the time this design was out? Was it that they ran out of tops for the cans and did a run as flats? How rare is this can?

If anyone knows the story behind this can, or just wants to hazard a guess, I'm interested. Let me know if more pictures are needed, and what you want a picture of.
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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by MI-Cans » Tue May 07, 2019 3:07 pm

Dave,

Taking a shot here. Any chance it might resemble a test can from page 232 of the Tabs Supplement? (I know you said it's a flat and the pic shows as a flat, but there's probably some leeway allowed when producing test cans.) I'm thinking like #232-14? Maybe they were using up flat lids that were excess inventory with the change to pull tabs.

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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by jinsequa » Tue May 07, 2019 3:23 pm

Not an oregon bottle bill flat.


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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by JAL » Wed May 08, 2019 10:01 am

Would like to see a better pic of the seam... it looks like it could have been rolled (test sheet). I can't tell if the seam is welded or just a lap joint. If rolled, they could put any lid on it they wanted.

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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Scott » Wed May 08, 2019 11:08 am

If it were an Oregon can there would be stamp on the lid noting that it was subject to the Oregon bottle/can deposit. Otherwise everybody would have been loading up a mail truck full of empties from adjoining states like Kramer and Newman.
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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by eric » Wed May 08, 2019 2:04 pm

I have a dumper of the can that is shown in my article in the Summer 2018 Rustlings. My theory is that Falstaff marketed these to bars, since there is no real advantage for a bar to have pulltabs if the server is opening them anyway. Much faster and easier to open a flattop with a "bar type" opener (as my dumper is) and no pulltabs laying all over the place.

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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by eric » Wed May 08, 2019 2:07 pm

Actually my can is a slight variation of the can shown here, with a toothed seam and the "A" can company designation on the white part of the can.

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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Leon » Wed May 08, 2019 2:59 pm

eric wrote:
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Actually my can is a slight variation of the can shown here, with a toothed seam and the "A" can company designation on the white part of the can.


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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by eric » Thu May 09, 2019 12:38 pm

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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Dixie Dave » Thu May 09, 2019 4:54 pm

Eric: This can is a lot different than mine is. Mine has a wide stripe but a narrow seam. It's still really interesting to see a dumper Falstaff flat with this label. Thanks for sharing!

Scott: Do you have a Falstaff flat with the Oregon stamp on it from the '70s? If so, could you post a picture of it so I know what it looks like?

JAL: I will take a closer picture of the seam tonight and add it to this thread.
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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Leon » Thu May 09, 2019 8:20 pm

Eric, Looks like yours was opened with a Bar Opener. Probably found in a Bar dump. I'd assume the Bars could request these newer flats to save on money & knowing they are just going to open with the Bar Opener anyways. In a Alabama Bar Dump I once found about 1000 or more zip tops at the bottom of a heavily picker bushed briar patch Ravine. It was very Painful to enter. BUT, I did, Slightly, only to find them all zip tab intact & bottomed opened with a Bar Opener. LEON.
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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Dixie Dave » Fri May 10, 2019 9:29 am

Here is a closer look at the seam of the can.
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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Kotto » Sat May 11, 2019 3:04 pm

Here's another one, probably a couple of years older than the two that are pictured up-thread.
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Re: Mystery Falstaff flat

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Post by Longhorn Mike » Mon May 13, 2019 8:49 am

I subscribe to the bar can theory as well. I have seen numerous Jax cans with the blue stripe, a late 60's can made well after Jax switched to tab tops, come with a flat top lid. Must have been slightly cheaper per unit than the pull tab cans.

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