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What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by MI-Cans » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:00 pm

In the Current Collecting thread, there’s a topic about Retro Can Composite list. Here’s a link:

https://www.therustybunch.com/phpBB3/vi ... 97#p380954

I bring it up here because I’d like some opinions/input/feedback. What would you consider a Retro can? I posted these questions in that thread but got no response.

• Should Retro only refer to a brand?
• Should Retro only refer to a can’s design?
• Should Retro refer to both of the above?
• Should a Retro can be in current or recent production?
• Should a Retro only be from a brewery that was closed at one time?
• Can Retro include “Commemorative” type cans?
• Can a Retro can include “flavors” not existing before, but using the new design? (Only had beer previously but now lists ale, bock, light, etc?)
• Any other qualifying parameters you can suggest for consideration?

I did a search and I think I found a good example for discussion…GLUEK brand. First image is the known cans from the 12oz flat tops and 12oz pull tabs. There’s seven (7) original cans. The second picture is of the twenty-three (23) that I was able to find. My observations:

• 19 cans utilize the Gluek script name (but not used in original 7).
• 4 of the cans show pin stripes.
• 4 of the cans show the six pointed star.
• 14 of the cans show the standing lion.

Now, which or how many, if any, would you consider to be Retro cans?

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by renokenn » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:09 pm

Retro should resemble the original can. Name with a new design is a new can.
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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by Beercanpete » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:18 pm

renokenn wrote:
Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:09 pm
Retro should resemble the original can. Name with a new design is a new can.
Should the new Falls City cans count? New labels but the old Falls City logo on the front.

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by Rockbob » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:51 pm

A retro can is a reasonable facsimile of an older can.
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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by MI-Cans » Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:30 pm

OK! I can agree with the statement "Retro should resemble the original can. Name with a new design is a new can."

So, none of the Gluek's qualify as retro cans. I've gone back through the original list (first picture) that I put together and ex'd out those that were different from the original. Then I redid my search and came up with a lot fewer examples. (That is the second picture with original cans for comparison.) Your opinions on the new list, please. Are there any that you can think of that should be included, that I may have missed? After feedback, I will re-post the list in Current Collecting Forum.

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by Rand » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:39 pm

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by MI-Cans » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:30 pm

Rand,

That's a perfect example. One of my questions in both threads was: Do Commemorative cans count? Another was: Do they have to be current or resumed production. Got no response on those.

Your green Krueger and my red Krueger are exact replica commemorative cans. The BCCA has taken to duplicating cans related to the CANv locations these past dozen plus years. They're duplicating cans and they are pretty good replicas.

Maybe a survey would point all this in the right direction.

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by Rand » Mon Sep 10, 2018 4:09 pm

There was also the BCCA Orlando Marlin can, and the Cinci Bud Malt Liquor can
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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by oldindiapaleale » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:33 pm

My idea of a retro can would be a can that is a "throwback" to a previous design and a departure from the one or more designs that were in use between them. While not always an exact copy, it should have the look and feel of the older design.

The pictures below show Budweiser, Lite, Miller High Life and Schlitz with an example in the middle of each picture showing a can with a very different design that was in use between them.

The Ballantine Light Lagers in the picture show a can on the right that is reviving the brand for a new purpose, a low calorie beer. It has the look of retro, while reviving a brand that was defunct for about twenty years.

The Ballantine Extra Fine Cream Ale uses elements of the Extra Fine Beer, but not really a retro as it only uses bits and pieces of an older design.

Same thing with the Rupperts. The cans on the right are tributes to the old name and the eagle/ribbons designs.

Also, while looking at the latest compilation picture of retro cans, I'm just wondering are some of these not retros, but just progressions of the brand labels that stay similar, or were there vastly different designs during the years in between the two cans. For examples: Colt 45, Hamms, Old German, Olde English, Rolling Rock, Schaefer, and Schlitz (the pair on the left). I'm not familiar enough with many of these brands as I don't have them in my collection and they are sold in my area.
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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by jinsequa » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:07 am

MI-Cans wrote:
Mon Sep 10, 2018 1:30 pm
OK! I can agree with the statement "Retro should resemble the original can. Name with a new design is a new can."

So, none of the Gluek's qualify as retro cans. I'te any that you can think of that should be included, that I may have missed?

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1 I think the Rainier Retro pictured is the Canadian version and the current Rainier out of Irwindale, CA is a much closer match to the old can.
2. Where do you draw the line? Hamm's and Olde English 800 have been produced constantly since their inception with pretty much the same can. Different brewers and cities but pretty much the same can always in production. Does that make the latest version a retro?

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by MI-Cans » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:46 am

It's becoming obvious that with these responses, we can't really pinpoint a true definition of a Retro can. Every opinion is legitimate in its theory and examples.

If retro cans have a place in your collection, then by all means, they should meet YOUR definition of a Retro can.

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by kb » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:52 am

when did that alum J Rupperts Knick come out? never saw it, is it recent or what? looks pretty cool
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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by oldindiapaleale » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:38 pm

kb wrote:
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when did that alum J Rupperts Knick come out? never saw it, is it recent or what? looks pretty cool
Probably early 1990s, by G. Heileman, La Crosse and has the government warning. I drank plenty of Knick back in the day and never saw it. Got it from someone here at the RB a few years ago.

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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by kb » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:54 pm

I would say this is a good ex. of s retro Can .. we all know the steel Genny is the late 60s- 80s base design with multiple slogans .. then they went to that blue ring oval then the all red and then a true retro Can - the old Big red eye.. so I would say that Genny is a good retro, but I may be a bit biased Image


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Re: What Do You Consider A Retro Can?

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Post by Kotto » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:47 pm

Did we miss these in our display? Rats, it didn't even occur to me bring them......
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