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1941-42 Battleship Gray Cans

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Battleship Gray List

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Post by MarkB » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:02 pm

How about a list of all the 1941-42 battleship gray cans? I'll start, but I know there are a LOT more.

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Drewrys Beer (L 55-34)
Dutch Lunch Beer (57-31)
Old Dutch Beer (L 105-34)
Pilsengold Beer (L 116-1)

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Beverwyck Ale (192-7)

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Harvard Ale (211-17)
Neuweilers Cream Ale (215-8)
Schmidt's Cream Ale (218-17)
Schmidt's Beer (219-2)


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Re: Battleship Gray List

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Post by steve36333 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:28 pm

isnt the natty bo crown battleship gray?

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Post by Rand » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:42 pm

From the OI world:

ABC - Lilek 6
All Star - Lilek 17
Apollo - Lilek 41
Bulls Eye - Lilek 169
Drewery's Extra Dry - Lilek 204
Dutch Lunch - Lilek 216
Fort Pitt Beer - Lilek 284A
Grand Prize - Lilek 368
Hamms - Lilek 379
Harvard Ale - Lilek 384
Harvard Ale - Lilek 385
Lubek Beer - Lilek 502
Old Dutch Ale - Lilek 595
Old Dutch Beer - Lilek 601
Neuweiller Cream Ale - Lilek 561
Neuweiller Pilsner Beer - Lilek 569
Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer - Lilek 675A
Pabst Bock - Lilek 666
Pilsengold - Lilek 684
Silver Springs - Lilek 763
Tam'o Shanter Ale - Lilek 784
Town Club - Lilek 791
Wehle Pale Ale - Lilek 868
Wehle Beer - Lilek 870
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Post by Scott Rollert » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:32 am

Very cool idea. If someone wants to start up a list in the Excel format, let me know. Otherwise I'll get one started. My shelves won't help any, I think I only have 2.
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Post by texascans » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:38 pm

Not sure if this qualifies... I's probably a paint over an the only oneI have ever seen.
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Post by Scott Rollert » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:48 pm

If no one wants to take on this list by the weekend, I'll get it going.
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Post by Scott Rollert » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:14 am

No one has taken on this list, so I've got the cans posted here put into a composite. I also added the "Propellor" cans. My take is they were definitely gray cans, even though they are singular label cans. The list will be posted shortly.

Another topic we need to address is gray vs. enamel. For example, Bay State Ale. There is an enamel version as well as a metallic version. Would the enamel label be considered a "gray" version?
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Post by Rand » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:24 pm

Scott Rollert wrote: Another topic we need to address is gray vs. enamel. For example, Bay State Ale. There is an enamel version as well as a metallic version. Would the enamel label be considered a "gray" version?
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Post by Scott Rollert » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:29 pm

Alrighty then, I have a list ready of the cans posted here. I'll have Danny get it up and running. I'm also titling the list as WW II gray cans.

After discussing it with Rand, the Propellor cans will be left off this list. It will be a list of same label cans with a distinct "Dull Gray" counterpart.
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Post by Rand » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:47 pm

Sorry if I mis-understood! Personally I believe the Propeller can IS dull gray. My terse little 2 letter post above was specifically to casting the Bay State enamel as dull gray. Don't think there needs to be an enamel or metallic counterpart for something to qualify as dull gray.

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Post by Scott Rollert » Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:32 pm

I've submitted the list as mentioned in my last post. The Propellors can always be added later. So let's get a discussion going about this. I'm in agreement with Rand, cans like the Propellor should be included. What say the rest of you?
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Post by josh » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:08 pm

A can that is "battleship grey" that is not most often found shiny doesn't count no matter how you look at it. Thats always been the point of pointing out the can is battleship grey. Propeller cans are not them no matter how much you want them to be. No one has ever said, "I've got a propeller can to trade, it's the battleship grey version".
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Post by Scott Rollert » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:26 pm

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Post by MarkB » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:13 pm

Josh is right, it's the cans where the battleship gray version was a departure from the normal. The Southern Select is white, so it would not count. Rand, can you please add the USBC numbers to the list you gave when you have the chance please.
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Post by Scott Rollert » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:44 pm

So far we are just listing the cans as Mark has stated in his post. I noticed that the flats have a commonality in that they're all OI's. If no one posts the USBC #'s by the weekend, I'll look them up and add them to the list.
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Post by Longopener » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:45 pm

josh wrote:A can that is "battleship grey" that is not most often found shiny doesn't count no matter how you look at it. Thats always been the point of pointing out the can is battleship grey. Propeller cans are not them no matter how much you want them to be. No one has ever said, "I've got a propeller can to trade, it's the battleship grey version".

I actually have a Propeller can by Schlitz that is semi-metallic green and silver. There is also an OD propellor flat by Schlitz.
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Post by ThreeRing » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:41 pm

To the quarts list please add Hanley's Pale Ale, USBC I 211-15. A Continental can, small Cap-Sealed panel.
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Post by Scott Rollert » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:33 pm

Do you happen to have any pics of said can?
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Post by Cantageous » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:15 am

I can think of a few crowntainers like Noch Eins, Kubler, National Boh, Fitzgerals Pale Ale, Ortiels, Hoff Brau, and Kingsbury. I'm not sure how many were in production or if they were test cans. images of the cans are available at Crowntainer Central


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Post by hemmings » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:48 pm

Found a pair of on grade Noch Eins crowntainers at a yard sale in Tucson about 1990-91 One was battleship grey paint. Trade/sold them to Tony Steffen. Not sure if I have a picture or not... will edit this for USBC number Andy
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Post by mtracy64 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:16 pm

I believe the Propeller cans, several of them, should absolutely be listed. The dull grey color is a result of timing and cost, nothing more, and it just so happens that the propeller cans were only produced when aluminum was not available for such frivolous use as inking beer cans. The only two (non-OD) options available at that time were dull grey and the high-gloss metallic silver achieved by using a tinted clearcoat over the base metal. The process for achieving the metallic look had to cost more. Propeller flats and cones both exist in both color schemes. It's just a quirk of fate that one dull grey variation turned up in large numbers, after decades of all the variations being extremely rare. And a collector who is knowledgeable and incredibly fortunate just might say "I have a Propeller cone (or flat) by Schlitz for trade. It's the dull grey one".

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