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Kingsbury Bock

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Post by stringsx24now » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:45 pm

Need some help from one or all of you.

I bought a few cans from Ed S. at Swap-A-Rama this past weekend. THey were beautiful and clean--all his cans were. (See Swap a Rama thread for pics and details).
Anyway, got home and took time to look at the reference books to see exactly what I have now. Looking at the Kingsbury Bock flat in the USBC, I cannot tell ANY difference between the two cans pictured. Does anyone know the difference? I can usually spot the differences, but this one has me stumped.
Unfortunately I am at work and don't have the USBC numbers, or picture of the can. Sorry.

Oh, I also acquired a super clean Rainier Jubilee, and a Peerless cone from him. I'll try to post pics of my take from the show soon.

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by Rockbob » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:53 pm

Good question Strings. When I got mine, I had a hard time figuring out which one it was. I finally picked 88-13. The USBC is full of cans like this, and they didnt note the differences.
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by RustyGoats » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:12 pm

one is yellowish and one is orange, i believe one has the round keglined circle panel, and other one has a square keglined logo. hope this helps.

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by RustyGoats » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:56 pm

i believe round keglined is yellow and square keglined is the orange can.

check this link out at dan's site:
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click the middle picture.

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by renokenn » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:12 pm

My oval Keglined Kingsbury has a 7 tooth seam.

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by Rockbob » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:14 pm

renokenn wrote:My oval Keglined Kingsbury has a 7 tooth seam.
Mine has a straight seam.
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by oldindiapaleale » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:13 pm

There is no difference between 88-13 and 88-14. I stared at those two 15/16"x1-5/8" pictures for quite some time.

Try the 4 Silver Bar Ales 133-38,39,40 and 134-1. I have one of the four, but which one?

Seriously, the editors of the USBC should make available a reference guide that explains all the look-alike cans.

Until then, any theories, yours or mine, are just guesses.

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by canhawk » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:28 am

I agree. Those look-a-like cans should have distinguishing descriptions, or it's just a guess.
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by Beercanpete » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:20 pm

That is one thing I like about USBC II (tab top version) compared to the original book, that the differences are described along with the cans in USBC II. There is a page before all the can pictures in USBC I that describes some of the differences, but not all. There have been a LOT of threads on this discussion board about the differences between two seemingly similar USBC cans!

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by canhawk » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:17 am

Something so easily avoided with a simple descriptor in the book, yellow/orange and/or keglined oval. Then we get into one is yellow and one is orange, yet no one says which is which in the book because we don't know. I have the one like Rock Bob's, with straight seam ( another convenient description) and oval Keglined. Yet this doesn't tell me if mine is 88-13 or 88-14 !!! Without a way of telling, we would have been better off with just one can listed in the book instead of two. Listing two apparently identical cans with the same mandatory side by side doesn't help anyone.

As for the two red Grain Belts, the swirl in the "r" in beer doesn't cut it.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10643&p=97016&hilit ... nce#p97016

This linked discussion includes Malt Lager's observation that:
"73-38 is Keglined while 73-39 is Continental Can Co. The Continental can (73-39) is more of a flat metallic while the other is a shiny metallic.ZSide by side you can really see the difference that a photo just can't capture."

waste-man said:
"I have both of the cans and 73-38 is more of a blood red color and 73-39 has a metallic red look to it. If you have the cans side by side you can tell the difference."

And oldindiapaleale says, with posted photos of his two versions:
"The one on the right is keglined. The one on the left is not, but it is rusty and probably has a "CCC" somewhere under the rust. They do look different, both are metallic and both have a long tail on the R in Beer"

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Post by canhawk » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:25 am

The solution would be to take this list compiled by Eric of pairs of 12 oz flats that are hard to distinguish in USBC vol 1 and find the pairs of cans at shows, shoot photos and note can company and design differences, and publish them in a pamphlet or web posting. Somewhere is a collector who knows the differences! They are most likely differences in canning companies, which we note and talk about all the time. I saw this when I dumped Joliet Van Merritts: the CCC version has nearly a white sky while Keglined shows deep blue parts of the sky. We just need descriptions matched with the USBC numbers for pairs of cans like these:

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Burgermeister 46-40 vs. 47-1
Croft 52-32 vs. 52-33
Drewry's Old Stock Ale 55-29 vs. 55-30
Frankenmuth Ale 66-38 vs. 66-39
Grain Belt 73-38 vs. 73-39
Heidelberg 81-12 vs. 81-13
Hyde Park 75 84-33 vs. 84-34
Jax 86-17 vs. 86-18
Kingsbury Bock 88-13 vs. 88-14
Lucky Lager 93-20 vs. 93-21
Neuweiler 102-40 vs. 103-1
Neuweiler 103-2 vs. 103-3
Regal Pale 120-37 vs. 120-38
Schaefer 128-4 vs. 128-5 These appear identical in the book, but the supplement has a different picture for 128-5 that is different from 128-4
Schlitz 129-20 vs. 129-21
138-39 vs. 138-40
Trommer's 139-32 vs. 139-33
Valley Forge 142-38 vs. 142-39
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by Jim Romine » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:58 am

There are three versions: Yellow with square Keglined, yellow with oval Keglined, and orange with oval Keglined.
My composite has 88-13 as the orange can, 88-14 as the yellow one. In person the color difference is profound.
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by Longopener » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:40 am

Canhawk: you missed all the Goebel 12 & 16s that look identical and that no Michigan specialist can confirm.
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by canhawk » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:25 am

Longopener wrote:
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Canhawk: you missed all the Goebel 12 & 16s that look identical and that no Michigan specialist can confirm.
Yes, there has to be more confusing entries in the book than what the list shows. I see two Goebel extra dry side by side that the book says both have "nationally famous" in the slogan. It tells you how these cans are alike but not how they are different! The list I posted was compiled from the USBC I flats and cones book by Eric Menning, who goes by eric here.

BTW My red Grain Belt is keglined so I'll go with 73-38!
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by Gansettman » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:31 pm

I believe the difference in the two bocks is the background...yellow vs orange. Plus the Keglined if you're into that. The color is distinctly different when held side by side.
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by canhawk » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:04 pm

Mine has the keglined mark without the oval, like yours on the left. And Mine does look orange-ish.
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by Jim Romine » Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:40 pm

S**T. a fourth variation!
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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by henry porter » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:06 pm

Schlitz Malt Lager 121-13 and 244-40. Can't see the difference

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by oldindiapaleale » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:13 pm

embossed and not embossed ?

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by eric » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:03 pm

Yes, there has to be more confusing entries in the book than what the list shows.
Canhawk, the list I compiled from USBC-1 was all the pairs of cans where I had one of the cans and couldn't tell which one it was. So any confusing entries that are not on the list are either pairs of cans where I did not have either can, or they were not confusing to me (I already knew what the difference was). I'd be happy to share any knowledge I have if anyone wants to add to the list in my lonely forum.
Canhawk: you missed all the Goebel 12 & 16s that look identical and that no Michigan specialist can confirm.
Chris, as far as Goebels, the only two I couldn't figure out in USBC-1 were 229-25 and 26, although one says enamel and one metallic, I have never seen both together. There are however two front variations to this can, but it is different than the two in the book.
I see two Goebel extra dry side by side that the book says both have "nationally famous" in the slogan.
Canhawk, if you are talking about 70-37 and 38, you just need to read the descriptions very very carefully. One says "Naturally Famous" and is the tough one.

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Re: Kingsbury Bock

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Post by eric » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:29 pm

Try the 4 Silver Bar Ales 133-38,39,40 and 134-1. I have one of the four, but which one?
I can narrow it down a little. 133-38 and 39 have a green background for the dude in the circle, 133-40 and 134-1 have a brown background.

I have an enamel and metallic gold versions for the green background, and I assume there is this same variation for the brown background. I'm not positive which picture is which, but I labelled mine as enamel for 133-38 and 133-40, and metallic for the other two.

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