How many of the rarest cans are only known in off grade condition?

[mtracy64]

What about Sicks Lager? No non dumper known as far as I am aware? But with 14 or 15 known, it may not be "rare"

I'd call that a good addition. It's a relatively major frontal difference. Overall rarity hasn't been addressed much yet, though I believe some cans were bumped for not being rated $1000+ in USBC. That's a measure of desirability and availability of clean cans, though, so it's at least as subjective as grading. Several of the listed cans, cans I believe should be listed, aren't really rare at all - there are more than 50 of the Honer's and the 12 oz. Liebmann's Cream Ale, but none close to ongrade that we know of.


Marc

[mtracy64]

Is there an ongrade Horluck's Vienna OI, Lilek 412, USBC 83-29?

Gene Judd.

Eric,

Are you sure about that? I know Gene had the other two Horluck's, but I don't recall him having 412.

Marc

[mtracy64]

A couple more candidates for the list: The olive drab Beer (Propeller) can, and the dull grey Fort Pitt.

Andy (Hemmings) raised a good point on "lost" cans also. I'm not aware of anything #33 owned the only good example of, but others may be.

I suppose we could list Gretz Bock J-Spouts and Crowntainers, as I have copies of shipping invoices for both. None are known to exist as far I know, but thousands were shipped to the brewery.

The line for condition remains a bit fuzzy, but I'd like to address the inclusion of the Jolly Scot. I had that can, the Trenton and the pair of 10 oz. J's in my possession for a short time years ago, and the photo below was taken at that time. The Jolly Scot and Trenton were widely believed to be the best known examples at that time, and both are pictured in the USBC and the Class Book. Both look better, and in my opinion more representative of the "in-hand" appearance, in the USBC. I didn't put either can forth for the list. I don't have an issue with them being on, or not on, the list, but the grade is similar enough that I think both should be on the same side of the line.

Additionally, I did put forth the Gretz J-Spout, and that bears explanation because the Class Book example looks very nice. Dale Rogalski had that can for sale about 15 years ago, and the can apparently remained full for many years and leaked before it was found. The can has several holes in the back, and is discolored around the holes. It also has a new bottom that appears to be from a hairspray can or something similar.

Marc

[mtracy64]

Palomar should be bumped.

http://beercanhistory.com/monarch_brewing.htm

[Jim Romine]

I believe #33 (Bill Christiansen) had the only Black letter Esslinger Bock can. It was indoor but tarnished.
I'm looking for the photo I took.
Jim

[Jim Romine]

I found it! You can see some tarnish, but I'd be proud to own it.
Jim

[Conehead]

I was only adding 1 or 2 cones a year, so around 2004/2005 I decided to sell my 1,143 different cones, thus putting them into other collections. Jim H @Conehead , Dan S @CMD , Jeff Lebo, others, do you still have those in your collection?

Baxter
BCCA877 RB282 IGU31

Ray,

That was a big shot in the arm for my collection when I bought all those cones from you. Thank you again very much. I bought a total of 101 cans. I didn't even look at the crowntainers or quarts. I just couldn't swing the money at the time. I still have quite a few that I haven't upgraded, though not sure exactly how many.

I did check the ones in the book. Of the 101 I bought 11 were pictured in the USBC. Of those 11, I have upgraded 5.

Jim

[Conehead]

Here's a couple more that you may consider for the list. I don't believe any of these are know in on grade condition.

Not for Sale

Dull Gray

[oldindiapaleale]

Add the 16 ounce Red Cap Ale to this list. USBC V1 234-17
Is it still the only known example?

[J. Page]

http://bcca-usbc-supplement.com/FivePan ... @CanType=P

[Plusonegolfer]

Add the 16 ounce Red Cap Ale to this list. USBC V1 234-17
Is it still the only known example?

I believe Tom Waggoner acquired the ongrade red Cap from Gene Judd when he sold. Dan B would know for sure...

[jinsequa]

Is there an ongrade Horluck's Vienna OI, Lilek 412, USBC 83-29?

Gene Judd.

Eric,

Are you sure about that? I know Gene had the other two Horluck's, but I don't recall him having 412.

Marc

You are probably correct...I thought he had all three on grade Horluck's in the picture I recently saw. I did not see them in person.
Eric Palmer

[blake]

Add the 16 ounce Red Cap Ale to this list. USBC V1 234-17
Is it still the only known example?

I believe that 3 or 4 exist. The best one resided in Ed Ackerman's collection until l he pasted. Ted Larsen purchased the majority of his collection. He sold it to Mike Farrell who sold to Gene. The book example and the one below were believed to be the only two. Since then I think two more were found similar or lesser grade then the book example.

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[John H.]

Sorry, I'm late for responding. At a canvention a few years back, Dan Morean had what I considered to be a mint Tru Blu ale quart. Whoever got it off him probably noticed my grubby fingerprints all over it as I was in his room for two or three days fondling it and begging Dan to come down a bit on his price. No such luck!

John H.