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Phoenix Conetop

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Post by Clarkston1 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:16 pm

Sometime in the distant past (1970's?) a group of collectors went into the hospitality room in the old brewery in Bay City and discovered a case of Phoenix cone tops apparently still welded together as an advertising display.

The exact number found and who made the discovery seems to have been lost to memory. I picked up my example from beercansplus about a month ago....not sure if it came from that find originally or is a new discovery but the vast majority of examples out there seem to date back to the Hospitality Room discovery.

A good mystery!
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Re: Phoenix Conetop

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Post by munchers2 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:37 pm

what a beauty of a can, nice pickup

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Post by Beercanpete » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:36 pm

I have been actively collecting for 40 years and I had never heard this story. Beautiful can!

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Post by Flat_Top » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:32 pm

Great can. I've heard same story, but never got the complete details on the find. Maybe Randy or Chris can fill us in on them?
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Post by Leon » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:54 pm

I think I know who has the Pyramid & I heard at one time the display showed up at Frankenmuth but some others say they never seen it there. LEON.

P.S. I think I know where your Phoenix came from & don't think it came from the Pyramid find.
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Post by Flat_Top » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:35 am

Leon wrote:I think I know who has the Pyramid & I heard at one time the display showed up at Frankenmuth but some others say they never seen it there. LEON.

P.S. I think I know where your Phoenix came from & don't think it came from the Pyramid find.
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Post by Senator Seebs » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:11 pm

One was/is for sale in New Orleans. Knowing the story I asked if the can had welds makes on the rims. It did - obviously from the find. The crown on the can appears scorched. He wanted the moon - this was a year ago and most brokers where in the know.
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Post by Leon » Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:53 pm

Flat_Top wrote:
Leon wrote:I think I know who has the Pyramid & I heard at one time the display showed up at Frankenmuth but some others say they never seen it there. LEON.

P.S. I think I know where your Phoenix came from & don't think it came from the Pyramid find.
Top secret info or can you share?

Maybe those other 2 guys you mention can share.
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Post by Randy Karasek » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:36 pm

Leon wrote:
Flat_Top wrote:
Leon wrote:I think I know who has the Pyramid & I heard at one time the display showed up at Frankenmuth but some others say they never seen it there. LEON.

P.S. I think I know where your Phoenix came from & don't think it came from the Pyramid find.
Top secret info or can you share?
Maybe those other 2 guys you mention can share.
Info I have regarding the Phoenix cone top is what I have read (three articles attached), that I have owned one which had marks around the top/bottom rims that would be consistent with pyramid solder marks, there are definitely more than 10 of these cans on-grade seeing at least 3-4 without any indication of solder, comes in both gold and silver cone (same canning code, links to both below), a great looking beer can and highly desirable, and examples definitely able to be acquired if you have the $$$.

As for Leon's first hand information or what he knows, I can't fathom a guess...

http://www.mbcinfo.com/mi/data/Brewerie ... 5.1_L.html
http://www.mbcinfo.com/mi/data/Brewerie ... 5.2_L.html
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Re: Phoenix Conetop

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Post by Leon » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:00 pm

Interesting Articles. Thanks. If beercansplus got your can from Keith Niel then I could tell you alot about it. LEON.
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Post by Clarkston1 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:30 am

Looks like I now know where my Phoenix came from :

The 3 dashes = The mark of Mike Farrell.
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Post by Leon » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:04 pm

Clarkston1 wrote:Looks like I now know where my Phoenix came from :

The 3 dashes = The mark of Mike Farrell.

Who had it before Mike? I don't think Mike had it very long. Does yours have any sign of solder on rims? LEON.
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Post by Clarkston1 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:11 pm

Rims are pretty clean....does have a small area where it looks like a possible solder mark??
Approximately at where the white and black border meet.
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Post by Leon » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:01 am

Maybe beercanplus sold it to Mike. Then Mike sold his cans to Gene. Then Gene has beercansplus selling his cans, maybe it's the same can they already sold before. But only beercansplus would know for sure. LEON.
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Post by Clarkston1 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:28 am

SSSSHH....don't ask too many questions❗️
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Post by Leon » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:57 pm

Clarkston1 wrote:Looks like I now know where my Phoenix came from :

The 3 dashes = The mark of Mike Farrell.

Yeah, OK. Mystery solved then.
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Post by Longopener » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:24 pm

The one article states sold in 1944. Must be 1940 at the latest.
"Still looking for 2 specific examples of the following cans I traded away years ago.
Berghoff LP cone: indoor with rusted seam and slight touchup on white stripe in upper right of label. Also a copper colored Drewrys "Taurus/Gemini" scene; indoor with yellow smoke damage and top lid half cut out.

Will trade a better examples, other cans or buy from you!

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Post by Leon » Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:52 pm

Another Michigan collector told me it was a 1944 can also. :roll: :smt017
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