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Re: Qt Discussion Thread
I'd like to thank Kevin Dooley for submitting the alphabetical quart composite posted here. Shortly, we're hoping to be availed of Charlie Bacon's state-based quart composite from which this was adapted. It represents years of Charlie's dedication to the Whoppers, Bumpers, Growlers, and other "big ones" in our hobby.
When the time comes, both versions of the quart composite will be available here.
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Re: Qt Discussion Thread
213-11 Krueger Cream Ale. NO Capsealed box. NON-ribbed cone. The guys think it is a Crown Cork and Seal can but I don't see the little logo anywhere.
(Can on the Left)
EDIT: Can apears to be the SILVER Background making it 213-12 (not-11)
(Can on the Left)
EDIT: Can apears to be the SILVER Background making it 213-12 (not-11)
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Re: Qt Discussion Thread
Thanks for posting this on the thread Scott. Your pics tell the story, so we'll get this incorporated into the list. I'm not a cone expert by any means, so I might throw this Dave's way. Seems he's already familiar with this variation.
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Re: Qt Discussion Thread
After speaking with Seamonkey Scott and going over this can with a fine-toothed comb, it does appear to be 213-12 (silver), and the CCS version of this label does appear on the composite. Great pickup, though, and this sort of "variation spotlighting" is exactly the direction we hope to drive this forum!
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Re: Qt Discussion Thread
I will submit an updated quart listing before I leave for Blue Gray this week. No new brands, just a few new teeth. I would still appreciate any updates or corrections.
The Kruegers noted above are definitely Crown cans - count the teeth - and both the Beer and Ale were made by Crown. There are a number of other brands made by Continental that went to Crown, we believe, because of a strike at the Continental plant in 1941; Beverwyck, Utica Club, Krueger, Hanley, among others. Ballantine went to American Can in 1941.
The Kruegers noted above are definitely Crown cans - count the teeth - and both the Beer and Ale were made by Crown. There are a number of other brands made by Continental that went to Crown, we believe, because of a strike at the Continental plant in 1941; Beverwyck, Utica Club, Krueger, Hanley, among others. Ballantine went to American Can in 1941.
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Thanks to the other 11 who helped form the Quart Chapter, ie Quarts R Us. It's only $5 a year and the knowledge abounds.
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Don't see the Schmidt's Beer, Schmidt, Detroit, "The Natural Brew" Qt on the list. Think there is only one and not sure who has the can. Thought I had a picture will post if I can find it.
Randy has a picture. Thanks.
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Here's a new one for the composite. I picked these two Ballantine quarts up at Blue/Grey. The composite shows only one 2 line beer with the brews and the Cap-Sealed logo. Note the XXX porter versus the Extra porter on the Brews list.
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Nice addition Kevin. I'll check the appropriate USBC number and make the addition with the next update. Really appreciate the pics.
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Hi guys,
I think I may have new one for you. This was found by a friend in his unheated garage, where it obviously suffered. Has anyone ever seen one like it? I've searched all my resources without luck. Thanks!
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I think I may have new one for you. This was found by a friend in his unheated garage, where it obviously suffered. Has anyone ever seen one like it? I've searched all my resources without luck. Thanks!
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Hello, Brett, and thanks for your post. I don't have a book in front of me, but yes, there were a few different variations of the Ballantine quart flats put out in the late 50s timeframe. I'm sure one of our Ballantine specialists could pin the marketing dates down with greater precision; regardless, they were oddballs in that this container design was specific to Ballantine. There were other quart flats issued in the 1930s, but they are different dimensionally.brettmon wrote:Hi guys,
I think I may have new one for you. This was found by a friend in his unheated garage, where it obviously suffered. Has anyone ever seen one like it? I've searched all my resources without luck. Thanks!
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I'm not speaking as a brand specialist, but I think the label you've pictured is among the tougher variations. There is another, similar variety with "Quart Giant" in more block-ish letters but I'm not sure which is considered rarer. I'll try to check on these and come back with further information. Meanwhile, you can follow this link http://www.thebeercanguide.com/tag/32-oz/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for a photo of the can I'm referring to, referenced as 237-2 (should be the third photo down).
If you're interested in improving the condition of the can, it looks like a good candidate for an acid bath. The original metallic copper basecoat unfortunately appears to be a thing of the past, but I think you could bring out a lot more of the can's lithographic details by getting rid of the rust.
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Sorry for the delay. The can you pictured is in the USBC1 and is 237-3. Of the five quart Ballantine flats in the book, yours appears to be a "medium rarity" can. There are two with the red banners that are heavy hitters, and two others that I think are arguably more common than yours. Rarity and condition notwithstanding, it's a collectible can.
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Hi D. L.,
Thanks for all your assistance!! I had seen USBC1/237-3 and noted that it is the same design as mine, except mine's body is a flat brown color with no metallic highlight. The "beer" above the three rings on the label is a flat brown also and is not metallic.
I wondered about this can. The previous owner of the garage where this can was found was the long-time mayor of our town, a Boss Tweed-like politician who died as the longest serving mayor in the US in 1961. I know that there was a Ballantine bottler in our town until the early 1960's and I had wondered if it may have been part of a "gift" to him, maybe out of a test can run. Although the mayor died the year I was born, I've heard from my father and other oldtimers that the mayor was known not to be adverse to accepting "gifts" that tended to influence his decisions (after all - this is NJ). Maybe this "brownie" is a bit of an oddball, and part of a bribe? This is why I've been collecting these things for almost 40 years, there's always a story, and it never ceases to be interesting!
Thanks again!!
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Thanks for all your assistance!! I had seen USBC1/237-3 and noted that it is the same design as mine, except mine's body is a flat brown color with no metallic highlight. The "beer" above the three rings on the label is a flat brown also and is not metallic.
I wondered about this can. The previous owner of the garage where this can was found was the long-time mayor of our town, a Boss Tweed-like politician who died as the longest serving mayor in the US in 1961. I know that there was a Ballantine bottler in our town until the early 1960's and I had wondered if it may have been part of a "gift" to him, maybe out of a test can run. Although the mayor died the year I was born, I've heard from my father and other oldtimers that the mayor was known not to be adverse to accepting "gifts" that tended to influence his decisions (after all - this is NJ). Maybe this "brownie" is a bit of an oddball, and part of a bribe? This is why I've been collecting these things for almost 40 years, there's always a story, and it never ceases to be interesting!
Thanks again!!
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Hi, I would like to find out more about the Pabst quart out of Peoria, Il. I live 60 miles from there and cannot seem to come across one. How many are out there? What years were they made ? And finally , what's it going to take to land one ?? Thanks. Mike
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OK, this may or may not Be a NEW variation. It just might be that the composite is not too clear on this one......
I have a Bavarian Beer 202-16. There are 2 versions listed. The first reads: IRTP at seam; PA Permit; small C/S. The second listing reads: IRTP at seam; Large C/S; CCC8. It DOES NOT mention PA Permit and it doesn't mention the different clothes and hair on the guy on the front face. Mine has the clothes and hair all dark like 202-17.
My question is: Is there 2 variations of 202-16 or 3? The book can is the first listing with the small C/S and the white in the hair and shirt. Does anyone have the second listing to compare to this one to see if it is the same?
I have a Bavarian Beer 202-16. There are 2 versions listed. The first reads: IRTP at seam; PA Permit; small C/S. The second listing reads: IRTP at seam; Large C/S; CCC8. It DOES NOT mention PA Permit and it doesn't mention the different clothes and hair on the guy on the front face. Mine has the clothes and hair all dark like 202-17.
My question is: Is there 2 variations of 202-16 or 3? The book can is the first listing with the small C/S and the white in the hair and shirt. Does anyone have the second listing to compare to this one to see if it is the same?
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Mine looks just like yours. (except not near as nice). Nice can by the way!
There are only 2 variations that I am aware of.
Small "Cap-Sealed" Panel Large "Cap-Sealed" Panel
There are only 2 variations that I am aware of.
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Thanks Jim........ It looks like there are 3 Bavarian Hair and vest color combinations as shown in the book on 202-16,17,18. It is hard to tell but it looks like your SMALL C/S may be the ALL WHITE which would make IT the Variation. It could also just be the age of the can making it hard to determine. I think you are correct that your 2nd can is the same as mine. I will go with the Composite not being all together clear but it IS the second listing. I will keep an eye open to see if any more hair and vest combinations show up..........
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OK.... I'm SURE this one is NOT in the composite. Esslinger's 208-18 (No IRTP) is listed with a CROWN logo left of seam. Mine is a Large Cap Sealed can.........
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Fascinating.
I didn't pay much attention to this label previously and don't have a lot of familiarity with Crown quarts that are post-war, let alone post-IRTP. I may let Matt/Charlie/Jim/somebody smarter than me weigh in on this one because I have no frame of reference.
Thanks for the contribution, and let me do a little follow-up.
I didn't pay much attention to this label previously and don't have a lot of familiarity with Crown quarts that are post-war, let alone post-IRTP. I may let Matt/Charlie/Jim/somebody smarter than me weigh in on this one because I have no frame of reference.
Thanks for the contribution, and let me do a little follow-up.
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Interesting. I see the one in the composite does mention having a Crown logo on one side of the seam, but doesn't specify which.
Your can doesn't happen to be one of those with the watermarked Crown logos, does it? Mark Tracy knows all that history and I do not, but it stuck in my mind after he pointed a couple examples out to me previously. Before Crown ever lithographed any manufacturer information on the labels themselves, they employed a Crown logo imprint right on the seam that almost appears like a watermark. On the few cans I've seen with this imprint, the logo is small and is located roughly halfway up the seam.
Your can doesn't happen to be one of those with the watermarked Crown logos, does it? Mark Tracy knows all that history and I do not, but it stuck in my mind after he pointed a couple examples out to me previously. Before Crown ever lithographed any manufacturer information on the labels themselves, they employed a Crown logo imprint right on the seam that almost appears like a watermark. On the few cans I've seen with this imprint, the logo is small and is located roughly halfway up the seam.
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By looking at the cone you can tell it IS a crown can. Could the logo be right where that hole on the right side of the seam was? That looks like an awesome can if the front is as nice as the back!!!!
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I have three crown can quarts that do not have the crown logo. Chester, Wacker little dutch, and Fitzgerald's burgomaster. I do not see any indication of a water mark on the seam of any of these cans either. I also have 6 other crown quarts that do have the crown logo.
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No logo, no watermark. Affirmative. I will have to check to be sure, but it seems like there are also a few 12oz J spouts without manufacturer insignia.
Gorgeous cans, by the way! Thanks for posting these.
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English Lad Brand Beer from Prima NOT listed.
The 1 listing for 208-2 list it: IRTP, Brand on face, 4%, 8-41B
Mine is: IRTP, Brand on face, (no Percentage), 8-41A (not B).
The 1 listing for 208-2 list it: IRTP, Brand on face, 4%, 8-41B
Mine is: IRTP, Brand on face, (no Percentage), 8-41A (not B).
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Another one not in the composite. Every Koenig Brau is listed Prima-Bismarck. Mine is just Bismarck Brewing Co. I’m wondering if this may have been from right near the end of their Quart production and therefore the very last version. Not in BCCA book or Quart composite. Anyone seen this previously?
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Very cool KB variation Scott. That's one that I was not aware of.
I'm assuming no alcohol content? Can you show the side and back?
I'm assuming no alcohol content? Can you show the side and back?
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No alcohol statement. I will post all sides soon
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