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Re: Cab Lights question

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foam-fresh wrote:john, where did that picture of the other star cab light come from? do you know what the one behind it is? tadcaster mabee?
i think it was andy that posted that he has been keeping a list of known cab lights. are any of the cab lights pictured on this thread not on your list? ..ron
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The cab light behind the Star is not Tadcaster: it is Tally-Ho. The photo did not come from Andy.

All of the cab lights pictured on this thread so far are lights that I have known about, except for the Travis; but then Travis photo is a fantasy photo, or "fauxtograph".


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Oops, forgot to say, I've gotten some e-mails asking if the duplicate cab lights in my photos are for sale or trade.
They've long since been traded away, sorry to report...
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mtracy64 wrote:John,

I'm glad I could add something. We as a group have become much better at dating cans in recent years, largely due to Bob Porter's efforts. Bob succeeded in cracking the American Can Co. dating code a couple of years ago. If we have an example of any American Can Co. can from 1935-1953 on which the fine print can be read, we can figure out which year the body blank was produced using the table at the link below. Other cans aren't quite as simple to date, but most of the pre-1950 cans can be narrowed down to a 1-2 year span pretty easily based on patent information or government regulations which dictated changes, and specialist collectors are often very good at dating post-1950 cans that fall in their specialty. If there's a better place to learn about cans than this website, I'm not aware of it.

http://www.therustybunch.com/phpBB3/vie ... =96&t=8482

As far as your contributions - I've been coming here since 2001 and very few discussion threads on any topic have been as informative as this one is. I also get the distinct impression that this information wasn't easy to come by. I look at the guys who are asking the questions and I see a number of guys who I know are knowledgeable on breweriana. You're clearly an asset to this website and to the hobby, and I thought it was important to acknowledge that. If/when this thread dies out, we need to make sure that it's copied over to the Archived Topics forum so that it remains easily accessible to collectors in the future.

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Marc:

Thank you for the web address above, and, thanks again for your compliments. I'll keep an eye on this thread and make sure it's copied to the Archived Topics at the appropriate time.

Meanwhile, I will periodically add photos of cab lights from my collection and other various sources -- and I encourage other Rusty Bunch members to do so. So, everyone, please check back often for new photos.

Here's one for National Premium Beer. This is one of the Gillco cab lights I mentioned at the beginning of this thread that was produced (intentionally) with no back reflector glass. It has a curved tin reflector on the back; the base of the light is somewhat T-shaped to keep the light upright; and there is a short metal stanchion at the center of the base to keep the front lens from falling back onto the light bulb and socket.
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Backbar,

Very informative thread!!! Thanks for the great pics, those cab lights are awesome!! Please keep in touch on this site with any new information on Cabs.....Great stuff!!

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In addition to all the good info. being exchanged about these signs on this thread, those who are curious can
also learn a little bit about the Gillco signs at my little amateur site located at:

http://geocities.com/gillglass/
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I don't know if this is the same ad John was referring to earlier, but this is from a brochure of advertising signs
that were available from RCA for their authorized dealers to buy. Unlike breweries loaning taverns and stores
the cab lights to use for free, looks like an RCA dealer had to pony up the money themselves if they wanted
one of these signs!:
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The text is hard to read, and I'm unsure on a few of the words, but here is the gist of it:

"Gillco Sign
An extremely colorful and novel sign advertising
RCA Victor Globe Trotter Radio, provided with cast
metal base and back. The back is curved shell fashion
and surfaced inside in wrinkled silver. An unusually
effective device for counter or window promotion.
It measures 15" wide, 8 1/2" high, 4 1/4" deep. Sold complete
With electric bulb and three feet of wiring for only
$2.85. Use the RCA Victor order blank."

(Edited to include John's info. below)
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Andy:

Thank you; that is the ad I was referring to.

I think the word in question is "fashion": ". . . curved shell fashion and surfaced inside . . ."

The dimensions read, "It measures 15" wide, 81/2" high, 41/4" deep." But I have to confess -- I cheated by measuring one of my cab lights for guidance.

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Some may not consider this a Cablight. I does consist of a convex front ad glass and a rear light shield. I know of two examples of this style sign from Neon Products out of Lima Ohio. A Lion from New York City and this Kingsbury. Enjoy.
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Here is the Lion to which Ohiocoasterswanter is referring:
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And here are two more stunning examples by Gillco that were featured a few years ago in The Back Bar display at Blue Gray:
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Sorry for this poorly staged photograph. My collection has been packed away for some time and this is the only image I of have of this sign. Unlit unfortunately.

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Much earlier--maybe I'll post more later.

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That last post of the Krueger's High Grade Beer sign is awesome. If that is how al light bulbs looked, the world would be a prettier place!
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This has become a impressive source of info, and display.
Backbar, I am curious, you seem to have photos of every item mentioned throughout the thread. Are these all among your personal collection or?
Dunkelweizen, you also seem to have extended knowledge on these lights.
I don't know if it is too much to ask for the two of you to produce a " Known List " ?
Are either of you BCCA members or rather maybe ABA. or EBEA ETC.? I am only curious because of the oppurtunity to share information that the digital world opens up.
Do you consider OHIOCANSWANTED light a Cab Sign?
It seem there were fewer west coast signs made. Does anyone know if Sick's ever used any of these signs?
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jwcans wrote:This has become a impressive source of info, and display. Backbar, I am curious, you seem to have photos of every item mentioned throughout the thread. Are these all among your personal collection or?
Not all of the items mentioned or shown on this thread are from my collection. Some of the photos I posted were obtained from other collectors, websites, catalogues, trade journals, and The Back Bar displays at Blue Gray.

jwcans wrote:I don't know if it is too much to ask for the two of you to produce a " Known List " ?
For the most part, my list is made up of digital images, like those that I have posted and will continue to post here. Dunkelweizen, citing concerns about privacy and competition, declined my earlier invitation to share his list on this thread.

jwcans wrote:Are either of you BCCA members or rather maybe ABA. or EBEA ETC.? I am only curious because of the oppurtunity to share information that the digital world opens up.
I am a current member of NABA, ABA and ECBA.

jwcans wrote:Do you consider OHIOCANSWANTED light a Cab Sign?
Since the ad lenses in the Kingsbury and Lion examples are not complete circles, the lights can’t be considered as “button lights.” Therefore I would consider them to be cab lights, of a sort, absent a more widely accepted label at this time. The label “cab light” was coined by collectors; it is based on the light’s shape being similar to the roof-top light displayed on early taxi cabs. To my knowledge, Gillco and Cincinnati Advertising Products never marketed their product as a “cab light”.
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jwcans wrote:It seem there were fewer west coast signs made.
Gillco was located in Philadelphia, PA; C.A.P. was located in Cincinnati, OH. Perhaps this has something to do with why there are more cab lights seen from mid and eastern states than the western states. Or perhaps there were fewer breweries in western states. Notwithstanding, this Gillco example for Salem Beer comes from Oregon:
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jwcans wrote:Does anyone know if Sick's ever used any of these signs?
To my knowledge, a cab light for Sick’s has not surfaced. Time may tell if one was ever produced by either manufacturer.
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TavernTreasures Please do post more pics. Great stuff!
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backbar wrote:TavernTreasures Please do post more pics. Great stuff!
Thanks BACKBAR!
But upon further review, my other stuff would not qualify as CAB style. Since I do not want to hijack this thread. I will hold those photos for another time.
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I was going to post a few myself but did not want to hijack myself with non cab lights. Maybe we can get this changed to more than just cab style lights? OP what do you think?
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TavernTreasures,
That Kruegers sign is one of the nicest I have seen!!! :smt026
I almost fell off my chair.
What size is it?
Wanna trade or sell it to me? :smt007 :roll: :smt023
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Here's a nice cab light for Liebert & Obert's Manayunk Beer from eastern PA.
This example was featured in The Back Bar display a couple of years ago.
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Crockery City Ice & Products Co's. Webber's Lager Beer cab light from East Liverpool, OH.
This is the ONLY surviving example that I know of.
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Adam Scheidt Brewing Co’s. Valley Forge Beer from Norristown, PA.

At least two variations of this Gillco cab light are known to have been produced: the one pictured below; and one in which George Washington (figure at center) has doffed his French-style, cocked hat (or tricorn).
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Schoenbrunn Brewing Co’s. Old Cherry Circle Beer from Sturgeon Bay, WI.

Sometime after this cab light lens was photographed, it was reportedly reunited with a base, back and trim ring.
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City Brewing Corporation’s Tally-Ho Beer from Ridgewood, NY. At least five examples of this Gillco cab light are known to have survived (including one "supersized" version, also made by Gillco).

The example pictured here is like the one that sold on eBay a couple of weeks ago. The eBay item location was Franklin Square, NY; just 13 miles from the site of the brewery (demolished in 1959).

This example won 2nd prize in The Back Bar Display Best of Show Contest at The Blue Gray Show in 2007.
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Dejur Electric Works' of New York City, Dejur Household Flat Iron.

Cab lights for non-brewery products can be just as attractive as the brewery cab lights.
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Pilsner Urquell, imported by Pilsner Urquell Importing Co., New York, NY

A sharp-looking, 11-color cab light that advertises the imported Czech beer.
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And the button light style -- also by Gillco.
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Miller Brewing Company’s Miller High Life Beer from Milwaukee WI.

This cab light was made by Cincinnati Advertising Products Co.: note that the base is wood, unlike the cast metal bases on cab lights made by Gillco.
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Hello Mr BackBar,

I hoped this thread was going to keep rolling, and others would add to the conversation. I liked it better when it was a sticky on the top of the General Page. Not sure why it was un stickied?
Anyway, I was curious, are the Halo signs, generally more common than the Cab lights? What about a monetary comparison of the two? It seemed most people believed a Cab Light was going to cost 2500 minimally. What would one expect to pay for a Halo, and you might as well add your thoughts on the Bullets.

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jwcans wrote:Hello Mr BackBar,

I hoped this thread was going to keep rolling, and others would add to the conversation. I liked it better when it was a sticky on the top of the General Page. Not sure why it was un stickied?
Anyway, I was curious, are the Halo signs, generally more common than the Cab lights? What about a monetary comparison of the two? It seemed most people believed a Cab Light was going to cost 2500 minimally. What would one expect to pay for a Halo, and you might as well add your thoughts on the Bullets.

Thanks again
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Based on my experience, I believe Halo (or bandshell) lights are more common than cab lights, but not a whole lot. However, cab lights, when found, are usually in very good condition or better; but bandshell lights, when found, are usually in very good condition or worse. This is because the reverse-firing on the cab light lens withstands the test of time and environment far better than the reverse-painting on the bandshell light lens.

Cab lights range from $1,000 to almost $5,000. Most fall in the $1,500 to $2,500 range, depending on type of product advertised, brand, graphic appeal, condition and manufacturer (Gillco or Cincinnati Advertising Products).

Bandshell halo lights range from $250 to $1,750. Most fall in the $750 to $1,250 range. All bandshell halo signs were made by Price Brothers. Schlitz is the most common – there are about four or five Schlitz variations that I have seen, and they are all similar to each other. In good condition, a Schlitz usually sells for around $250 to $300.

Bullet lights range from $500 to $3,000. Most fall in the $1,000 to $1,500 range. All bullet lights were made by Cincinnati Advertising Products.

I had intended to photograph and post more examples of these sign. Unfortunately, I got sidetracked with some other things.

http://www.therustybunch.com/phpBB3/vie ... eye#p84183

I may get back to it some day soon.
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Is this Hollen the one that is in the NE Breweriana book? Just curious as the photo doesn't look familiar (but the little spot over the "E" does...
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