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1.) What was the last year they put OI on flat top beer cans?
2.) What was the last brand.

My stab at this is Alt Heidelberg Brand Premium Pale Beer 1948.


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I am NO EXPERT by any means, but I thought one was Genesse 12 Horse, or Old Crown Lazy Aged.
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John, seems to me Gennesee had non-IRTP OIs....

Am I wrong?
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What about A-1's?
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seems like budweiser also had a long run of oi's
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I'm Guessing Fall City around 1952. LEON.
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Anybody with a good run of these cans in decent shape ought to be able to read the Porter Canco codes to resolve this question! Another point of distinction- Neuweiler's Bock 4 panel IRTP OI's with fifties lids...looks like the ATF let them use up the old packaging for quite a while.
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Rand, do you need a copy of the canco date code list? It lets you translate three legged pi's into the year the can was printed. Depending on what you're counting as legs, that one sounds like 1951. Another good thing to remember is that the ATF allowed/encouraged early compliance with the drop of the IRTP statement so that most 1949 cans lacked it altogether. After 1954, there were no more date codes. Not sure when can plant numbers stopped, maybe around 1960?
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Man, you guys are amazing. Like detectives. Who's going to figure this out? It was a bit of a hypothetical question, but you guys are actually going to come up with an answer!
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I am pretty sure this was meant to be a US can question, but the Zeigelhof from Switzerland has a canning code from the french can manufacturer Ferembal that dates it to 1965:

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The unrolled sheet on the cover of the latest BCCA Magazine shows the earlier yellow version, the last can in the composite is gold like the one above.

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My Fall city O/I looked like 52 date code with naked eye but under magifying glass maybe 51. Hard to tell with the humidity spot on it. LEON.
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After my gaff with the A-1's (they aren't even non-IRTP), I will attempt to make up for it with this very late OI.

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Check out the large side panel instructions on this can! Sorry for the blurry photo.
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There was some discussion about Coors having a O/I - well here it is:

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February 1996!
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The OPENING INSTRUCTION text shown in the photo is on the 24-pack box. I took a look at the cans and, unfortunately they don't show instructions on the can. It describes is how wonderful Coors beer is and some bal bla bal about each different lable. (6 different cans)

The only reference to 'opening' on the can is on the top (and yes - they are alum ft) is there are 2 triangles on opposite sides of the can to indicate where the opener is to go. (similar to the graphic)

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Rand...while the Coors historical set didn't have a true OI, a couple of years ago we DID get a true OI CO can. Thanks to AB doing their version of "historical" cans, the Ft. Collins branch put out the "We guarantee..." OI. The OI wasn't out for nearly as long as the other labels.
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Rand,

Here is the "new" Bud OI side by side with the "old." I picked up a case when they came out. I have plenty if you want one. Just send me $500.00 plus $10.00 shipping. JUST KIDDING! Email me your address and I'll send you a couple.

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menke wrote: Another good thing to remember is that the ATF allowed/encouraged early compliance with the drop of the IRTP statement so that most 1949 cans lacked it altogether.
Is there documentation indicating that the ATF allowed or encourage early compliance? The dropping of the IRTP statement wasn't a simple removal of the text requirement, it was a side effect of a fundamental change in the way the tax was collected. As such, it seems unlikely for the ATF to allow brewers to implement the change haphazardly. If early compliance was allowed, it also would be very difficult to explain the existence of late-IRTP cans such as Blatz and Drewry's which have the IRTP statement printed on the lid. As for cans dated to 1949 via the Porter Method lacking the IRTP statement - brewers would easily have been able to project when a batch of can stock would be filled based on production numbers and so forth, so it makes sense that some percentage of the body blanks printed in 1949 wouldn't be used until after March 1, 1950 and would therefore not carry the IRTP statement. The aforementioned "IRTP lid" solution employed by some brewers would also account for some portion of the 1949 body blanks which lack the IRTP statement.

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