Ongoing List of Only-One-Known Cans

[jomama]

I have not followed this thread all the way, so please excuse this post if not in line with the other one-known cans. But this can is believed to be unique. 2.2 liter (4 pint) early-mid 1960's flat top 'party' can from U.K. ... I have little information on it, but is in a collection in Switzerland.

[menke]

The Brown Derby doesn't quite make the cut, being a color variation rather than a major label difference. I've never heard of it before, though. Neat can.

Jo Mama is the first to suggest listing unique foreign cans here. I like the international stuff and as inclusive a Bunch as we are, we tend to be like the Instructionalites and diminish the specialties we don't collect. Problem is, I don't have the expertise. I COULD photograph all Lebo's unique cans while at his show in a few weeks and toss 'em up here if there was much interest. He certainly has the expertise, and might benefit from feedback and corrections.

I know the Aussie stuff well enough: the early Toohey's Flag Ale, which I got to fondle when I was there in 1995. Too bad I didn't take a pic, or maybe I did. It would be in with all my old prints, and I gave CG my Aussie photo guide a couple years back which does have a small thumbnail. But that's pretty much it.

Marc missed B/G this year so we never got to hash out the Brown Derby/Associated dilemma. How about Springfield, Marc?

[cgreene63]

I have 4 casey lager cans in mint condition completely sealed with no beer in them. Someone gave them to me as a gift years ago. They have no holes and they were made without beer. anybody know how much they would be worth. I think they are one of a kind

[kamsquared]

I have 4 casey lager cans in mint condition completely sealed with no beer in them. Someone gave them to me as a gift years ago. They have no holes and they were made without beer. anybody know how much they would be worth. I think they are one of a kind

Thanks for posting. I think you are refering to the Casey's cans with the baseball players on them. These are very common and you would usually have a difficult time getting more than 50 cents a piece for them.....air sealed or not.

[idigrust]

Well, technically they are "4" of a kind.....

[Clarkston1]

Compass Export Ale:
Looking through an old Richard Dolphin book from 1977. and this Compass Export was the only example known at the time. Not sure if foreign cans qualify?

[Clarkston1]

Here is the book. Cool book which paid a lot of attention to foreign cans.

[Barry Travis]

I was reading the Class book this morning on the household throne,and wondered about a few of these cans.Thought I'd resurrect it for gits and shiggles.Some great information here-my main question was the Brandt's can.

[oldmoneytexan]

Great thread.

[zoinkss]

I submitted this Rhinelander for the BCCA book but was told it is not a real can. They are considering it a misprint.
The can is full and has a stamp on the bottom. It has a Pepsi under the grey background. It is missing the white snow. It is my contention that the snow was not missed but it could not be printed because they made these into rubouts by turning the background into a grey enamel to use up the pepsi body blanks.

Does anyone else have one or is it a One Of? I was told if I can find a few more,,, the BCCA will put it in the book. If we cannot find any more than it is a one of.

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[steve36333]

WF Natty premium crown trainer.
Another Natty Premium cone, never run but rolled . A lot of yellow writing.
imperial - American brewery. flat sheets, never a rolled can.

[CMD]

This topic has become a bit tedious to read through looking for prior submissions, and or denials. I searched it, but was unable to find this can.
The can was sold on Eaby some time ago, and although it wasn't a can I desired, it intrigued me. A red " Derby " that also has the Beer in red. Unlike any of the other Brown Derby's listed. I know it's not an uber exciting can, and I should have saved all the pics, but the rest made it appear original, not rolled. Maybe someone else here saved more pics, or won it. Seems like there might have been a brief discussion on it in the GD section?
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what brewery is this from?

[City Clubber]

The Eblings White Head Ale in the USBC is the same one Dick A. rubbed out from under a Wagner's qwat. I picked up that 1940's Mapex Mothball lid cut out from an Eblings white head sheet, so at least we can confirm the color scheme was correct on Dick's.

How about the corresponding Ebling Beer similar to the Whitehead?

[foreigncanman]

There is the one in the book Ive there is a nother nice one and my brother has one

[City Clubber]

So the beers are fairly tough also?

[hemmings]

Matt should the Von get added to the list? And somewhere on site I started a thread on the red diamond Grain Belt conetop that was on Ebay... I think it was too hard to accept but not really clearly a fake either... will try to check it again... Andy

[mtracy64]

This is strictly a list of wildly unique cans. I'm a variation whore as much as the next guy, but to make that list would be a life's work.

I'll ignore condition, cans with different Canco codes for different years, can company, OI panel, small text or panel changes, keglined panel and patent differences, alcohol and tax statement differences, gray vs. silver, enamel vs. metallic, varying primer coat/background colors. We're talking major label, widely collected differences only.

Of course a lot of great cans get left off, but if you count all those smaller details you'd have a thousand+ cans many of which we have on shelves and don't even know it, as well as so deep a level of detail it'd be no fun to read. There has to be a cutoff somewhere, so this shorter list gets right to the point.

Anybody who can knock a can off this list or add another, please post a reply with any provenance you can provide (so we can figure out if people are talking about the same can or not) and I'll keep editing the posting to keep a running tally.

12 oz. flats:
Tiger OI
Hillman's OI #1
Hillman's OI #2
Silver Fox 'Deluxe' OD
Meister Brau OD
Krueger OD
Stein's Canadian Ale
Lion Bock (if it still exists)
Rheingold Bock Beer (like the yellow 'pale double bock' with 2 goats)
Imperial from Baltimore (American Brewery, white can)

12 oz. cones:
Breidt's Ale hipro
Royal Finest lopro
Pink Kato
Deep Purple Schlitz FBIR
Hohenadel Bock J (with the pictured dumper apparently broken to bits and no longer extant)
Falstaff crown
Schlitz crown from big crowntainer find
Ortlieb's Ale crown
Boston Light 'little brown jug' crown
Trent Cream Ale crown
Duquesne crown
Old German J from Phillipsburg
Blue Hudepohl J

Quarts:
Trent Cream Ale
White Cap
Perone
Breidt's Half and Half
Diamond State (matches OI, Keglined quart cone)

Others:
14oz Draft by National tab
16oz Regal tab somewhat matches 113-19

There's gotta be a list five times this long if we really put our collective minds to it. Please post your thoughts on how YOU would determine a seventy year-old can's status as a mockup or the real thing. The Bud crowntainer for example, came from the place where an historian had access to it for decades so I would take his word on whether it was ever a production can or not. Several other unique cans have come from can company employee's collections, and by itself doesn't mean much about whether it was a mockup they simply held onto, or whether it was made even for a single, small production run.

Cans like the Tiger, with paper evidence of other cans from the same run being made and filled, I would say are legit 'real' cans even though that particular example never was filled. Ditto with cans in the big crowntainer find, any of the Canco finds, brake fluid paintovers, etc. It'll take decades for dumper or legit filled examples to turn up. Because there are also unique dumpers where no mockup or advertising is known, most likely we just need to be patient. In cases where there's no evidence one can see, I'd hesitate to take an oldtime collector's word that a can was real or not. Surprises keep turning up and longstanding myths abound, so this list should trust only actual evidence and first-hand knowledge rather than likelihood or hearsay. Rolled sheets like the gold Cardinal and gold Lion Beer are certainly on the bubble and could go either way.

So far so good, another thousand or so revisions and we might have a good working list...

Matt,

It's time to whittle the list down again.

Good Guy Dan knows of a second Silver Fox Deluxe OD can in a collection.

If the listed Schlitz Crowntainer is USBC 198-29, and I believe it is even if I'm confused by it being listed as "from big Crowntainer find". The can I spoke of earlier in this thread was Bob McCoy's. Bob and I saw one in a collection recently, and Bob is certain that the can we saw is not the example he owned.

Marc

[Mizmo64]

This is strictly a list of wildly unique cans. I'm a variation whore as much as the next guy, but to make that list would be a life's work.

I'll ignore condition, cans with different Canco codes for different years, can company, OI panel, small text or panel changes, keglined panel and patent differences, alcohol and tax statement differences, gray vs. silver, enamel vs. metallic, varying primer coat/background colors. We're talking major label, widely collected differences only.

Of course a lot of great cans get left off, but if you count all those smaller details you'd have a thousand+ cans many of which we have on shelves and don't even know it, as well as so deep a level of detail it'd be no fun to read. There has to be a cutoff somewhere, so this shorter list gets right to the point.

Anybody who can knock a can off this list or add another, please post a reply with any provenance you can provide (so we can figure out if people are talking about the same can or not) and I'll keep editing the posting to keep a running tally.

12 oz. flats:
Tiger OI
Hillman's OI #1
Hillman's OI #2
Silver Fox 'Deluxe' OD
Meister Brau OD
Krueger OD
Stein's Canadian Ale
Lion Bock (if it still exists)
Rheingold Bock Beer (like the yellow 'pale double bock' with 2 goats)
Imperial from Baltimore (American Brewery, white can)

12 oz. cones:
Breidt's Ale hipro
Royal Finest lopro
Pink Kato
Deep Purple Schlitz FBIR
Hohenadel Bock J (with the pictured dumper apparently broken to bits and no longer extant)
Falstaff crown
Schlitz crown from big crowntainer find
Ortlieb's Ale crown
Boston Light 'little brown jug' crown
Trent Cream Ale crown
Duquesne crown
Old German J from Phillipsburg
Blue Hudepohl J

Quarts:
Trent Cream Ale
White Cap
Perone
Breidt's Half and Half
Diamond State (matches OI, Keglined quart cone)

Others:
14oz Draft by National tab
16oz Regal tab somewhat matches 113-19

There's gotta be a list five times this long if we really put our collective minds to it. Please post your thoughts on how YOU would determine a seventy year-old can's status as a mockup or the real thing. The Bud crowntainer for example, came from the place where an historian had access to it for decades so I would take his word on whether it was ever a production can or not. Several other unique cans have come from can company employee's collections, and by itself doesn't mean much about whether it was a mockup they simply held onto, or whether it was made even for a single, small production run.

Cans like the Tiger, with paper evidence of other cans from the same run being made and filled, I would say are legit 'real' cans even though that particular example never was filled. Ditto with cans in the big crowntainer find, any of the Canco finds, brake fluid paintovers, etc. It'll take decades for dumper or legit filled examples to turn up. Because there are also unique dumpers where no mockup or advertising is known, most likely we just need to be patient. In cases where there's no evidence one can see, I'd hesitate to take an oldtime collector's word that a can was real or not. Surprises keep turning up and longstanding myths abound, so this list should trust only actual evidence and first-hand knowledge rather than likelihood or hearsay. Rolled sheets like the gold Cardinal and gold Lion Beer are certainly on the bubble and could go either way.

So far so good, another thousand or so revisions and we might have a good working list...

Matt,

It's time to whittle the list down again.

Good Guy Dan knows of a second Silver Fox Deluxe OD can in a collection.

If the listed Schlitz Crowntainer is USBC 198-29, and I believe it is even if I'm confused by it being listed as "from big Crowntainer find". The can I spoke of earlier in this thread was Bob McCoy's. Bob and I saw one in a collection recently, and Bob is certain that the can we saw is not the example he owned.

Marc

Marc,
The one you speak of was definitely not Bob’s. It came from a collection that we picked up in Detroit. The guy also had a different text color variant of the cone top test can too. Dave C could tell you the whole story.

[foreigncanman]

Compass Export Ale:
Looking through an old Richard Dolphin book from 1977. and this Compass Export was the only example known at the time. Not sure if foreign cans qualify?

Very tough to determine one known on international cans since collections are so widely spaced apart so collectors have not seen a large percentage of collections. Somewhat easier with the less than a 6 pack known.Of the three different Compass tabs I have seen 3 of one of them 2 of the second and one of the third but others could be hiding in collections throughout the world. MUCH more knowledge is out there on American cans with a much more compact network. (so many international cans were shipped around the world to colonies etc or ended up in early US collections. Add to that language barriers and it gets really difficult to speculate. It can be tough enough with US cans. (how many Krueger Specials etc)

[mtracy64]

Compass Export Ale:
Looking through an old Richard Dolphin book from 1977. and this Compass Export was the only example known at the time. Not sure if foreign cans qualify?

Very tough to determine one known on international cans since collections are so widely spaced apart so collectors have not seen a large percentage of collections. Somewhat easier with the less than a 6 pack known.Of the three different Compass tabs I have seen 3 of one of them 2 of the second and one of the third but others could be hiding in collections throughout the world. MUCH more knowledge is out there on American cans with a much more compact network. (so many international cans were shipped around the world to colonies etc or ended up in early US collections. Add to that language barriers and it gets really difficult to speculate. It can be tough enough with US cans. (how many Krueger Specials etc)

Thanks for posting this, Tom. The Krueger's Special needs to be added also, and I neglected to comment on that.

Marc

[crowntainer-central]

Marc,
You can cross off the Ortlieb's Ale and Trent Cream Ale crowntainers. For years, Bill Helmbold had the only known Ortlieb's Ale from the big find. In 2013, I came into possession of an off-grade version of that can. As for the Trent Cream Ale, I obtained one in 2005 and in 2009 came into possession of two more that I sold.
Gary

[crowntainer-central]

Marc,
You can also remove the Schlitz crowntainer from the list. There are two of those.
Gary

[mtracy64]

Marc,
You can cross off the Ortlieb's Ale and Trent Cream Ale crowntainers. For years, Bill Helmbold had the only known Ortlieb's Ale from the big find. In 2013, I came into possession of an off-grade version of that can. As for the Trent Cream Ale, I obtained one in 2005 and in 2009 came into possession of two more that I sold.
Gary

Gary,

Thanks for sharing this information. Bill's fine is on the short list of candidates for the greatest find ever, and it's nice to occasionally see one of his unique cans validated as production cans. I assume your original Trent Cream Ale is the can we saw on eBay years ago? I guess I went too long without looking at your photos, and you've added a number of cans - what an amazing collection!

As for the Schlitz, the point of resurrecting this thread was to have that can and the Silver Fox Deluxe OD removed from the list, but the quote and re-quote of the list muddied the waters in a thread that is already difficult to read through. I was a frequent contributor to this thread years ago, but Matt Menke started it and was the keeper of the list. I'll take it over if Matt declines to.

Marc

[curt]

Are there more than 1 Iroquois half and half out there?

[Mizmo64]

Are there more than 1 Iroquois half and half out there?

If I remember correctly there is at least one all original and one that was a short sheet rolled.