Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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Re: Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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My guess on the origins of the can is that the brewery went bankrupt and they owned some assets. The bankruptcy court or creditors thought the best way to convert one of the assets into cash was to get a contract brewer to fill Imperial cans under the Weibel name and use the proceeds to give to the creditors. Maybe they had paid money to ACCO for some reason before they went belly up and the easiest way to get something was for ACCO to produce X number of cans. That's highly speculative of course, just throwing stuff out there.

I found this, which is kind of interesting:



In re Weibel Brewing Co.


CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS, SECOND CIRCUIT


Docket Number available at http://www.versuslaw.com

Citation Number available at http://www.versuslaw.com

November 2, 1936

IN THE MATTER OF WEIBEL BREWING CO., BANKRUPT; IN RE CROWN CORK & SEAL CO., APPELLANT

Appeal from the District Court of the United States for the District of Connecticut.

Before L. HAND, SWAN, and AUGUSTUS N. HAND, Circuit Judges.

Per Curiam.

Decree affirmed on the authority of In re Day & Co., 178 F. 545 (C.C.A. 2); In re Stradley & Co. (D.C.) 187 F. 285.

19361102



That's a suit by Crown Cork and seal against Weibel from 1936.

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http://vt.findacase.com/research/wfrmDo ... C02.htm/qx


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Re: Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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More forensic evidence, food for thought, dug this imperial along side the ABC on p5 of the Likek book. Both were found side by side and both have the distinct canning line scratch. Imperial has the 2 on the lower half of the can, ABC (for those without the book handy) right through the lower part of the B. Wow, major "ah ha" moment. Both cans with a similar canning flaw...
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Re: Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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Here's a couple of newspaper stories from 1933 about a Henry Sanborn who invested $12,000 in the Weibel Brewing Company just days before his bullet-riddled body was found in shallow grave on Long Island...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zi ... pany&hl=en

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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=3o ... pany&hl=en
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Re: Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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Did ABC use lids with opening instructions? Yes. I found the can pictured below in the late 1970s near Sullivan, Missouri. Although the writting is in red rather than black, it is still very interesting that both ABC and Imperial, on at least a few cans, used similar types of lids, while it does not appear that Manhattan ever did (that I know of). Thoughts?


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Re: Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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John - Great pics. I have a Manhattan with instructions on the lid. I think scott has dumped them as well in the pacific NW. Just adds to the forensic complexity...
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Re: Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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Just finished reading (for the umpteenth time) the many posts about the Imperial. The one thing that seems to be missing information is the actual advertising firm(s) used. All the newspaper adds are great but they are the print marketing effort and don't necessarily tell us who or where there were approved. And the can clues are fascinating but they too are after approval by somebody in the brewery family. So my point is do we know what marketing companies did the art work and might have the sign off approvals linking back to the city & brewer? Are we assuming the design and artwork was a function of the brewery or the canning company? Many of the copied wording, fonts, etc can easily be a "cut & past" type effort but do we have more evidence from the canning companies or possible advertising firms of the time?
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Re: Origin of Imperial OI can - ABC, Manhattan or other?

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ozarkridgerunner wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:40 pm
PreWar wrote:No comment on the canned Triangle beer being sold in the ad above? Was that previously known info on where it was sold ??
Herman, sorry I missed that and I think it is a first. Very cool. To find an ad from Jefferson City MO that lists Triangle in cans alongside A.B.C. in cans and no mention of Manhattan brands is killer. The August 1939 date lines up with the Imperial. :)
oldindiapaleale wrote:Was the Imperial can ever sold in Connecticut? Have any ever been dumped in the northeast?
Only known to have been sold and dumped in Missouri.
Maybe it’s because this thread is so old but Can anyone locate this ad ?
my search skills aren’t too good ,
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