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Harvard Green Label with YELLOW background??

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Hi all - I found this very unusual Harvard Green Label Export Beer with a YELLOW background under a Harvard Foam Fresh flat. I knew the Foam Fresh was a paintover because you could see the Green Label pattern under the top layer paint. I was very surprised to see the Yellow background color. I have searched several articles including the one posted on RustyCans from Ron Shattuck and do not see a yellow variation. Any thoughts? Is this a test? unknown?

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Re: Harvard Green Label with YELLOW background??

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Surprised no one has weighed in on this one. Is it possible over paint reacted to the white 'original' coat and turned it yellow?
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The only other can I can think of similar to this is a Storzette paintover we found years ago. The white was more of a cream color than the white of the production can. When the Nebraska collectors saw it their comment was they had only seen that cream colored can in print ads. Possible that the brewers changed their minds before the original color scheme was cut and rolled at American Can, leaving sheets of the original color scheme. Their solution at American was to reprimer the sheets and print a different label for another brewers order. This is only pure conjecture on my part and does not represent the truth in any manner. Just saying.....

I don't think the primer reacted with the color of the Harvard, or there would be many other examples of that reaction on other paintovers.
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Re: Harvard Green Label with YELLOW background??

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Sometimes the clear coat next to the primer turns yellow, as seen in the ketchup and mustard variety Rheiny- don’t think that is the case here. That’s going to be a tough rub. Ziphippie
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BB -
I think you have uncovered some sort of prototype. Congrats on probably the only known example of this variation. Looking at the consistency and brilliance of the yellow color this was intended color. Nice score!!!
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I'm going to agree with Ed. I have seen a few of these over the years and all were paint overs. My opinion is just a reaction with the primer.

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potters66 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:05 am I'm going to agree with Ed. I have seen a few of these over the years and all were paint overs. My opinion is just a reaction with the primer.

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Not sure how to explain the fact that a majority of these Green Labels that are under the Harvard Exports have a white background? Why would the primer impact some but not all of the white backgrounds? Doesn't add up imho!
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Yellow looks to even. If it was a chemical reaction from the overpaint, you would expect the color to be more 'patchy'
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Maybe it was an error can when first painted? Then someone decided to do a paint over to save the canning stock. Could be some more out there??
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@BostonBob

Be sure to post after pictures once you are done rubbing it out.
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Hi All - I was on vacation in FL all last week. I am still catching up with yard work, etc and have not had a chance to rub the can....I will be sure to post pics when I do. Thanks for all the comments! I hope it is a variation or error can.
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Hi all - I finally got a chance to rub out MOST of the label. I may leave it this way, cuz I like to see both labels AND it is a pain to rub out :) . I agree the yellow is very consistent and uniform. I think and hope it is a variation. I believe Paul (PBama) called out a good argument: "Why are only some paintovers yellow underneath, while some stayed white?" Although we have all seen strange paint transformations like those lake cans with weird color changes. It could be all due to the primer.

I have seen one other pic of a paintover dug in CT with heavy rust spots.

Here is my yellow can compared with my "original" white background can. Any thoughts?

Does anyone have a photo of a paintover of this can that stayed white underneath? That would be interesting to see.

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Sure looks like a different variation/test can to me!
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Re: Harvard Green Label with YELLOW background??

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Having been bloodied up and shell shocked throughout the OI color wars....red to orange....orange to yellow.....yellow to brown...etc there was universal set of variables that always put the "new" color in question. Specifically, they were buried, or sun bleached, or lived around smoke or they missed a layer of paint. It would seem, that as a completely protected paint-over, none of those really apply. If not a legit variation, the thing that might make the most sense is that they started out with a yellow sheet/base coat instead of white. Suspect it could be the top paint changing the lower layer, but I doubt it as we would have likely stumbled on that before now in some can somewhere
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